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re: Acuna stealing 70 bases should have biggest asterisk in baseball
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:30 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:30 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Last year he was caught stealing 11 times on 40 attempts.
This year he has been caught stealing 13 times on 83 attempts.
Hmmmmm, wonder what changed.
This year he has been caught stealing 13 times on 83 attempts.
Hmmmmm, wonder what changed.
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:34 am to VinegarStrokes
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a lot of his steals were on the first pitch to the next better.
A lot = how many?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:36 am to VinegarStrokes
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Which luckily isn't a thing in the post season
Even dumber imo, why make a rule for the entire season but not the playoffs? How many games were decided in the regular season based on the stupid extra inning base runner on second?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:36 am to TigahJay
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Hmmmmm, wonder what changed.
More than one thing, maybe? Lol
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:40 am to Hester Carries
Pretty hard to argue its not easier to steal bases in 2023 than it was in 2022 or any year before that
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 11:41 am
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:43 am to TigahJay
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Last year he was caught stealing 11 times on 40 attempts.
This year he has been caught stealing 13 times on 83 attempts.
Hmmmmm, wonder what changed.
Last year he was coming off major knee surgery and only played part of the season. You can't use that as a comparison.
2019 is more fair - 37 SBs on 46 attempts, but even then he was 20 years old and still learning the finer points of the game.
He's an elite baserunner and those guys always put up solid stats, regardless of the rules. It's the middle of the pack guys with decent but not exceptional speed, who are inflating the SB numbers - guys who might sneak in 3 or 4 a year are now getting 10, etc.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:45 am to TigahJay
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Last year he was caught stealing 11 times on 40 attempts.
This year he has been caught stealing 13 times on 83 attempts.
looks like he had about a 75% success rate last year and still would have stolen ~60 bases this year with that rate of success
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 11:47 am
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:45 am to TigahJay
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Last year he was caught stealing 11 times on 40 attempts.
This year he has been caught stealing 13 times on 83 attempts.
Hmmmmm, wonder what changed.
Maybe the fact that last year he was less than a year removed from ACL surgery???
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:48 am to AUFANATL
It amazes me that people bitch and moan about this.
He set a new bar for everyone. Is he apples to apples 30 bases better than the other 40/40 club members? No one is saying that. There are tweaks to the rules and he obviously is on par with the past greats and arguably a
lot better.
Once again, the throw over rule could bait runners into thinking they have an upper hand. A 3rd throw over, which is allowed, would pick off a hell of a lot more people than in the past. Its a chess match that I like. It is not a huge advantage if you have a smart pitcher.
He set a new bar for everyone. Is he apples to apples 30 bases better than the other 40/40 club members? No one is saying that. There are tweaks to the rules and he obviously is on par with the past greats and arguably a
lot better.
Once again, the throw over rule could bait runners into thinking they have an upper hand. A 3rd throw over, which is allowed, would pick off a hell of a lot more people than in the past. Its a chess match that I like. It is not a huge advantage if you have a smart pitcher.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 11:51 am
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:49 am to hubertcumberdale
Then why doesn’t that same impact happen across the board. For say Randy Arozerena?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:50 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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Cry harder, Plaschke.
Bill Plaschke fricking sucks and literally no one otb ever mentions him but you stealerbarfdog
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:52 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Ronald Acuña also leads the league in grown men he's made cry online this season, too.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 11:52 am
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:53 am to David Ricky
For extra perspective, MLB X is celebrating Lindor having his first 30/30 season. The 4th Met to ever do that. With the same rules RAJ has.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:54 am to flyAU
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the pitcher can still throw over a 3rd time, he just needs to get the runner out or he takes 2nd.
Oh is that all he has to do to not give the runner a free base? Because pickoffs are so easy, I'm sure every manager is telling his pitchers to use all 3 attempts with a league success rate at 5%.
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This makes it a chess match of a runner being more agressive
Yeah, thankfully that's happening and runners are getting greedy trying to exploit the rule as pickoffs are up 25% from the previous couple years of the "dead stealing era."
Will be interesting to see if it decreases after this test year as runners realize its not so easy to take advantage of the new rule and they're more cautious going forward.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 11:56 am
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:59 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Oh is that all he has to do to not give the runner a free base? Because pickoffs are so easy, I'm sure every manager is telling his pitchers to use all 3 attempts with a league success rate at 5%.
I am not sure if you are being cheeky but having actual knowledge who is on first base and their stealing tendancies should certainly change the throw over strategy.
If Acuna is on 1st, I am sure as hell using all my throw overs and then inclined to throw a 3rd time if there are signs that he is taking advantage.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 12:04 pm to hubertcumberdale
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A lot = how many?
go look it up for yourself. you seem to care much more than anyone else. Looking forward to your findings
Posted on 9/28/23 at 12:05 pm to hubertcumberdale
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Even dumber imo, why make a rule for the entire season but not the playoffs? How many games were decided in the regular season based on the stupid extra inning base runner on second?
Cool story.
I wouldn't really know because my team had such a dominant season that we don't really have to concern ourselves with individual outcomes like that.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 12:08 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
How come no one else has 70 stolen bases? 
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 12:21 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Prime Rickey Henderson would’ve had 300 steals in a season
Posted on 9/28/23 at 12:24 pm to TigahJay
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Last year he was caught stealing 11 times on 40 attempts.
This year he has been caught stealing 13 times on 83 attempts.
Hmmmmm, wonder what changed.
I'm sure being a full year removed from ACL surgery has absolutely no bearing on his increased stolen base rate.
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