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ACC must punish offending teams in Wake Forest scandal / petrino cheats

Posted on 12/14/16 at 12:30 am
Posted by royalvin
juarez
Member since Sep 2015
196 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 12:30 am
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No! That is not the end of that. Are you kidding me? This is a major scandal, and not for Wake Forest. Anybody who used that information from Elrod cheated to win a football game. This includes coach Bobby Petrino and Louisville, the only school currently believed to have studied at the Tommy Elrod Institute of Higher Cheating. It apparently includes other schools as well. If the Atlantic Coast Conference has a shred of integrity, this will lead to major suspensions, at minimum.


Petrino apparently cheated to win a game. And it was probably easy to do. When Elrod coached at Wake Forest, he was co-coordinator of the passing game. His other co-coordinator, Lonnie Galloway, now works on Petrino’s staff. That sound you hear should be Galloway calling his lawyer.
Now, you can say other coaches would do what Petrino did, and you are right. In fact, Wake Forest’s statement implies that other schools were involved, and those coaches should also be punished severely.
But I’ve talked to enough football coaches over the years to say, with confidence: A lot of them would not do this. This is also supported by Wake’s statement, which says Elrod “provided or attempted to provide confidential and proprietary game preparations on multiple occasions.” The words “attempted to provide” imply that some coaches told him, “No thanks.” The everybody’s doing it defense is not a defense—and it drives the many honest people in the coaching profession crazy.
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 12:32 am
Posted by someoldhussy
Candyland
Member since Jun 2007
2439 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 12:34 am to
That's a geaux tigers!
Posted by NFLU7
Houston, Tx
Member since Jan 2016
1255 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 12:41 am to
The man is lucky he did this to a school that's not big on football, had this happened at Alabama they might have poisoned his entire family.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
20042 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 5:50 am to
It will be shoved under the rug like a dry day old cat turd....
Posted by crookedicat
Member since Aug 2005
483 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 6:56 am to
Any word on why Elrod did this?
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18759 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 7:02 am to
And there was a group on here that wanted to hire that shite bag. Petrino is and will be a scum bag
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
8609 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 7:04 am to
Like anyone needed a reason to hate Petrino even more
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43299 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 7:08 am to
I mean, if someone is going to give you the opponent game plan and it's not against ncaa rules for you to accept and use that game plan, wouldn't you do it too?

I say punish Elrod to hell and back.. But whether or not others get punished depends on ncaa rules.
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 7:09 am
Posted by Rhio
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2013
1327 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 8:43 am to
Well whoever these other coaches are that may have cheated, it probably didn't work as well as they hoped. Wake just finished its best season in years.

I can't wait to read the list of coaches who accepted and still got their arse beat.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110888 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 8:55 am to
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No! That is not the end of that. Are you kidding me? This is a major scandal, and not for Wake Forest. Anybody who used that information from Elrod cheated to win a football game. This includes coach Bobby Petrino and Louisville, the only school currently believed to have studied at the Tommy Elrod Institute of Higher Cheating. It apparently includes other schools as well. If the Atlantic Coast Conference has a shred of integrity, this will lead to major suspensions, at minimum.

Serious question, is it cheating for the other teams?

If so, why?
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
139847 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 8:59 am to
It is not cheating, you are just using information given to you. We used to look in trash cans and when go visit the other EQM on road trips for information and take what we could find.

This is no different then stealing signs or getting reads off a cadence.

There were times we found practice scripts, notes, position tests etc.

Every school looks for things, it is Wake's issue nobody else.
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 9:00 am
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21813 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:04 am to
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Serious question, is it cheating for the other teams?


Abso-fricking-lutely

quote:

If so, why?


Can't believe you need an answer....but:

You can't knowingly accept IP (intellectual property) from someone from another organization that did not give you the information for you to use...This guy was not authorized to give this information to his competitors. It appears that he was not even suppose to be in possession of this material in most cases.

Would Apple get in trouble if some guy came from Google and gave them IP about some breakthrough new product and Apple utilized it?

Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
139847 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:29 am to
So if UGA was given the same information and you found out about it would you be as upset? Or is it because it is Petrino?

Posted by rutiger
purgatory
Member since Jun 2007
21127 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:36 am to
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So if UGA was given the same information and you found out about it would you be as upset? Or is it because it is Petrino?


Wait, you seriously think this ok?
Posted by Chitter Chatter
In and Out of Consciousness
Member since Sep 2009
4660 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:41 am to
Wonder if Elrod has a gambling problem.....

Or he is just pissed off at WF for some reason
Posted by Sevendust912
Member since Jun 2013
11366 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:43 am to
Whatever his problem is, he will never coach again so I hope it was worth it. I doubt he could even get a job at the high school level at this point.
Posted by rutiger
purgatory
Member since Jun 2007
21127 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:43 am to
quote:

Or he is just pissed off at WF for some reason



He was a coach on the staff under grobe, when grobe got fired clawson didnt retain him. I guess this was his way to get back at them.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
139847 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:43 am to
It happens all the time, do not be so naïve. As I said EQM and Trainers are told to look for things in trash cans in locker rooms and etc when going through walk-throughs.

Now it be given by a radio guy, that is strange. But every team in America does espionage of some type.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422585 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:45 am to
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You can't knowingly accept IP (intellectual property) from someone from another organization that did not give you the information for you to use..

what if you hire a coach from a competitor to get their "IP"?

are we to assume that the hiring team is cheating or that the assistant is to forget all of that info?

quote:

Would Apple get in trouble if some guy came from Google and gave them IP about some breakthrough new product and Apple utilized it?

would Apple get in trouble if it hired a guy from Google who re-organized their internal structure, meeting protocol, and philosophy so that it mirrors Google's?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422585 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:46 am to
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But every team in America does espionage of some type.

NFL teams love to hire scrubs just to get this information
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