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re: ACC just rigged the result
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:28 pm to Corinthians420
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:28 pm to Corinthians420
That’s not showing him upright, it was called a catch so I don’t have prove he caught it. You have to prove he didn’t. That’s how reviews work.
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Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:29 pm to TigerNlc
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That’s not showing him upright
what happens when he is upright is irrelevant because if you catch the ball while going to the ground you have to maintain possession all the way through contact with the ground.
the NCAA rule states
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If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent) he must maintain complete and continuous control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or in the end zone
the clip shows everything that happens after he lands, he never maintains control.
edited to add NCAA language
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:31 pm to Corinthians420
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Going to the Ground: If a player is falling to the ground while catching the ball, they must maintain control of the ball after they land for it to be considered a catch
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the clip shows everything that happens after he lands, he never maintains control.
Exactly. He never had full control.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:32 pm to Corinthians420
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the clip shows everything that happens after he lands, he never maintains control.
Once his foot hits the ground it’s a catch in the end zone.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:33 pm to RB10
yeah, the NCAA rule actually is stricter than the NFL rule
it states
no way anyone can say he maintained complete and continuous control there
it states
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he must maintain complete and continuous control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground,
no way anyone can say he maintained complete and continuous control there
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:35 pm to RB10
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Exactly. He never had full control.
I’m not saying he did. You are missing the point. It was called a catch. Once that happens you have to show evidence it wasn’t and there’s no evidence it wasn’t. The call should have been a TD because of indisputable evidence.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:35 pm to TigerNlc
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Once his foot hits the ground it’s a catch in the end zone.
that hasn't been the rule in a decade
the rule is
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If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent) he must maintain complete and continuous control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or in the end zone. This is also required for a player attempting to make a catch at the sideline and going to the ground out of bounds. If he loses control of the ball which then touches the ground before he regains control, it is not a catch.
did you forget the megatron play?
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:37 pm to TigerNlc
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I’m not saying he did. You are missing the point. It was called a catch. Once that happens you have to show evidence it wasn’t and there’s no evidence it wasn’t. The call should have been a TD because of indisputable evidence.
Yes there was. You’re just ignoring it.
The video shows the ball moving. Ball moving, no catch.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:38 pm to TigerNlc
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Once his foot hits the ground it’s a catch in the end zone.
Wrong.
If he’s going to the ground he had to complete the catch. He was clearly going to the ground. The replay shows as soon as he hit the ground, the ball was moving.
Ball moving, no catch.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:40 pm to TigerNlc
I think that's right. I've watched it a couple of times now and I just don't see reversible evidence.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:40 pm to Corinthians420
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The WR didn't maintain control through contact with the ground which wouldve completed the catch, at that point it's loose and catch hasn't been completed when #43 for Miami touches the ball while laying out of bounds. ball is dead at that point and incomplete
Geauxgurt in absolute shambles rn
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:47 pm to BZ504
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I don’t think it was a clear catch by the WR. I think the call was correct and shouldn’t have been ruled a reception to begin with.
Yep.
The only thing that confused the situation is the refs on the field calling it a TD. It wasn’t a catch. That said, with them calling it a TD on the field, I totally understand the frustration over the call not standing given how hard it was to see on the replay on a few of the angles. It was a really interesting situation and call, but at the end of the day the correct call was made…. Because it wasn’t a catch.
I was a little surprised the review took so long, I guess they were just triple-checking. Bad call on the field… they were clearly just guessing on the field… the replay officials got it right though, as tough as that is for VaTech.
Anyone saying that was a catch after watching the replay and different angles doesn’t know the rules. It wasn’t.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:53 pm to JPLSU1981
Things do know video shows the wr had the ball in his hands. This you can clearly see. He falls to the ground and still has the ball he never loses it. The Miami player then rakes the ball away. This happens after the war is down with the ball. Now you may argue the he never fully had control and you may be correct but video doesn’t prove that. It was rules a td and should have remained so.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:55 pm to Ponchy Tiger
The ball was touched by an out-of-bounds player before any catch, if there even was a completed “catch.”
There was a lot going on in that play, and a lot of it very hard to see…hence I understand why many are confused.
And I somewhat agree that the call on the field standing is what I expected. The call on the field is what created this whole monster of a cluster.
Also, if the ball is moving around as you hit the ground, it is not a catch. And replay clearly shows the ball moving around before hitting the ground.
It was the correct call. Unfortunately the dumbass refs on the field guessed at the call and made the wrong call and created this “controversy” and people believing their wrong call on the field should have stood.
There was a lot going on in that play, and a lot of it very hard to see…hence I understand why many are confused.
And I somewhat agree that the call on the field standing is what I expected. The call on the field is what created this whole monster of a cluster.
Also, if the ball is moving around as you hit the ground, it is not a catch. And replay clearly shows the ball moving around before hitting the ground.
It was the correct call. Unfortunately the dumbass refs on the field guessed at the call and made the wrong call and created this “controversy” and people believing their wrong call on the field should have stood.
This post was edited on 9/28/24 at 12:02 am
Posted on 9/28/24 at 12:35 am to Scoob
Fair enough 
Posted on 9/28/24 at 12:38 am to JPLSU1981
If it was so cut and dried that it wasn't a catch, then the review official made an enormous mistake by not explaining WHY.
Consider- you just had a play on the field, big pile of players, and the call is Team A scored and won.
You go to review, make the call to overturn it- now Team A has lost... and you don't have the professional courtesy to tell them what your reasoning was. You simply flip the call, the home team wins, everyone in the stadium celebrates, yay; and Team A is left standing there saying "WTF man?"
If I'm the coach, I'm getting fined and probably suspended postgame. I'm already heated because of the obvious horse collar no-call a few plays before, and now these frickers just flipped my W to an L on review with no explanation, and ran to the lockers.
Consider- you just had a play on the field, big pile of players, and the call is Team A scored and won.
You go to review, make the call to overturn it- now Team A has lost... and you don't have the professional courtesy to tell them what your reasoning was. You simply flip the call, the home team wins, everyone in the stadium celebrates, yay; and Team A is left standing there saying "WTF man?"
If I'm the coach, I'm getting fined and probably suspended postgame. I'm already heated because of the obvious horse collar no-call a few plays before, and now these frickers just flipped my W to an L on review with no explanation, and ran to the lockers.
Posted on 9/28/24 at 12:58 am to Geauxgurt
Doesn't matter. Miami got exposed as frauds tonight. If they make the playoff they will get curbstomped.
Posted on 9/28/24 at 1:02 am to HamzooReb
I think if the refs would have called it incomplete and then upheld the call, there would be far less upheaval about the result.
Posted on 9/28/24 at 1:07 am to Scoob
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If it was so cut and dried that it wasn't a catch, then the review official made an enormous mistake by not explaining WHY.
Agreed, and I think this is a big sticking point with people right now. Regardless of whether you think the overturn was correct or not, there was zero explanation why.
We're told every Saturday and Sunday that replays have to be "indisputable" and "clear and obvious" to overturn. When a ref spends several minutes in the booth, then comes back, and simply says they're changing the call and "see ya", people will reasonably question the decision.
Posted on 9/28/24 at 7:26 am to Geauxgurt
ACC wanted Miami to “be back” and to keep their representation in the top 10 to be relevant, pretty sad. I will now pull against Miami every week.
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