re: ACC champs BCS record is what?

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wvu 88 vs ND could have won but Notre Dame was much better

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Pitt won it all in 1976

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Colorado brah

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and Georgia Tech Brah

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5th down brah

I think the ACC is in a down period right now and lots can be blamed for it...

Florida becoming a powerhouse and taking the changing balance of power from Miami and Florida State. Miami was elite in the 80's thru Butch for the most part.

So many schools in such close proximity sharing "non-football" states and areas. NC, Duke, WF, NC State for instance...how must they compete when they have no base to begin with AND they have to share it?

In my opinion, the former Big East schools will always have somewhat of an advantage over the rest. VT established a recruiting base in the Chesapeake and DC areas and have added new ones in the south. Miami can be the USC of the east (and will be again, IMO), and Boston College's semi-tradition and rivalry with Notre Dame will attract more recruits than a North Carolina State or Maryland.

Florida State has little tradition, overall, and may never become what it once was and has been the last 30 years. Still, they're located in Florida.

UNC, NC State, Maryland, and Virginia are schools that will have to rely on landing a huge fish for a head coach (Davis, i.e.) and win for about 3-6 years and then be prepared to lose that coach to a better program and cycle down. In other words, these 4 will never consistently win and are proving that now. See UNC NOW; NC State with Tory Holt and then Phillip Rivers; Maryland's Orange 2001 season; Virginia in the Herman Moore days and nearly going undefeated in '89 and '90.

GT and Clemson are schools that will always have tradition carrying them and can win their conference every single year, but they often fold in OOC big games. They often underachieve and are often compared to their elite predecessors that go as far back as a half century. VT has probably joined that rank...or you can put them in with Florida State if/when they lose Beamer.

Overall, the ACC is a sleeping giant that has yet to reach its potential. Miami is the lead-dog that needs to get back to prominence before the other 11 teams can even attempt to make it look sexy.


Wake Forest and Duke, meanwhile, will just have to settle for basketball. WF just fielded its team of destiny 2 years ago...and that's as good as it'll get. Duke might have an 8 win season every 20...depending.

smart of you to change to a bama logo hoss

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I agree with this. When Miami was swaggering all over people's faces people were in love with them and able to forget the ACC tag. If VT skullfricks Boise next October watch the love come in. Miami is going to be really good next year, too.

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thing is this could all take 10 years to reach its potential who knows what the conference could look like then. With adding teams to compete with the potential Big 10 expansion

Yeah, when Miami and Florida State beat us in '88 and '90, respectively, by a combined score of 86-6 (even though the ACC was not what it was now)...people took notice.

Miami is the team that this conference is relying on. Not Clemson or VT. Also, when Miami and Florida State were BOTH dominant and had those awesome match ups from '86-'02, it didn't get much better as far as wanting to watch two teams you cared nothing about/disliked battle it out on ABC.

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and has the same number of BCS NCs as the Pac10, Big 10, and Big East. Current members of the BE have 0, to be fair.

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that your only argument at this point?

SFP, you're being a tad general and vague...

I can give you a nice history lesson on most of the ACC schools and can explain why what is what. Florida is national NOW, but Miami and Florida State were THEN. The reversal of the roles can happen at any moment. All three fall short of the tradition you'd think they'd carry. Florida was never meant to stay on top forever. Miami proved that in 1995 when we found out that THEY can lose.

Coaching is a small part. Some of these schools have SEC-calibur coaches. I agree to you to an extent in my paragraph about the schools that will cycle.