re: 2024 NASCAR Season Thread - 2024-25 Offseason

IMO NASCAR will ultimately blink because they don’t want MJ’s lawyer … who’s as good as they come, he’s the lawyer in the case that got NIL in college sports … to get a look at their financial records.

Have y’all heard some of the shite that’s in this thing?

No disparaging comments or we revoke your charters.
In fact, the teams don’t even own the charters, nascar does.
NASCAR wants to allow the France family to own a race team in the cup series.

1. That’s a huge overreach of power.
2. Why tf are teams paying $40 million dollars for effectively a lease?
3. And we think nascars officiating is bad and biased now? Wait until action express is in the crosshairs. Sure Penske owns IndyCar, but he fielded teams long before he bought the series.

He’s talented. But man is Toyota really dropping the ball with Corey Heim. Heim is the most cup ready talent out there (aside from maybe Shane van Gisbergen). And somehow they’re letting a guy sit in trucks because of a feud with little Gibbs?

It’s Joe Gibbs with Ty’s name over that one car.

Similar to Jeff Gordon “owning” the 48.

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hallie deegan to Indy Lights.

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Not off to a good start

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Wow, the diff between 21 and 22 is more than diff between 1 and 21. She is super slow and ran 60+ laps.

This guys gets it. Some of you guys are the biggest contradictions to what we all bitch about, being the decline of the sport we love.

I commend Denny, MJ, and everyone standing up to the Gestapo which has become the France family. Especially with Denny being an active driver putting his own money where his mouth is. And I certainly have no issue with him being a owner/driver. That's been done multiple times in the past.

What NASCAR is bascially telling the teams is GFY, it's our way or the highway. You have to buy from our designs, buy from our parts suppliers, take what profit share we allow you to have, you may not do any innovation that may give you a competitive edge. Hell, you cant even have one of your drivers go race with the Friday night local yokels without our permission.

It's bullshite and is a cookie cutter example of a monopoly. Read what the teams said that signed the charters. NONE of them said it was a good deal for the teams. They all basically said they got tired of negotiating and NASCAR had told them this was as good as it was going to get.

They have to get back to giving the teams a little more input on the sport. I'm a NASCAR OG and was an active participant in the good ole run of the 90's. I remember when Yates engines just produced more HP than the rest, Roush cars just handled better, Childres cars were better in the draft, etc. Teams were allowed to innovate within the rules and it produced a better product on the track.

I'm all for the lawsuit because at least they are trying to help make the sport better. And, i think they're going to win. No fricking way does the France family want the books opened up during discovery.

NO WAY.

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What NASCAR is bascially telling the teams is GFY, it's our way or the highway.

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Well, all the teams could leave and race elsewhere. So there is no monopoly.

If you created an NFL team and wanted to play in it, good luck. You have to get approval from all owners and buy in. And existing teams have to abide by their rules.

Nascar owners could go create their own series which would make nascar owned tracks worthless. There are other tracks to race on. The charter is no different than what all other sports do, giving value to teams. But those teams agree to Nascar rules just like all other sports.

I hate the direction of nascar but that doesn’t mean I have to like the side of lawsuit initiators.

I’ve covered the owning teams before. Denny is an active driver with a conflict. The others were prior drivers owning teams. For example, Rowdy owned teams in Busch and Trucks but not Cup. Denny has admitted he’d help his owned team over team he drives for. If you think about Denny is helping create a monopoly by owning a team while driving thus making it harder for new teams to get in.

Nascar 3rd gen sucks and has mostly ruined the sport. But 23x winning lawsuit would not help the sport either. Their best option is to organize a strike with all other owners and create a board of owners to negotiate with nascar on changes. Then its all owners helping to decide direction not MJ trying to create it his way.

The downside to a strike is Nascar went through this before. And they brought in other drivers and cars. They would find it harder to find cars since they own a lot of series. But they could find some local car clubs and modify rules temporary and race them. That would keep the TV money coming. And might be funner honestly.

It proves the whole point though, its not a monopoly when others and anyone can attempt to race without a charter. A charter is not required to race. Its less a monopoly than NFL and NBA and MLB.

That's what I figured. She'll get better with more seat time, be more competitive on ovals, but she won't sniff an Indy Car ride.