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re: 2024 NASCAR Season Thread - 2024-25 Offseason
Posted on 6/3/24 at 7:10 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Posted on 6/3/24 at 7:10 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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So you have a problem with Larson getting a waiver due to missing a race after the weather messed his plans up, but you don't have a problem with Elliott getting a waiver for missing a race due to a suspension imposed because he intentionally wrecked a competitor (costing that competitor valuable points and possibly a win)?
Seems entirely inconsistent to me.
No, I think Larson should get a waiver without any real delay, and I'm fine with Elliot getting one the other year too. I'm just not going to pretend there aren't legitimate arguments.
That's a huge part of our society today. People refuse to even think on or consider the other position or side of things. It's being intentionally intellectually dense.
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 8:54 pm to TigerFanatic99
Lol at anyone believing in the fake drama. Larson will get it, you can be assured this was done on the down low last year when he was looking into the double.
Nascar has always lived on drama. In their eyes there is no bad press. Nothing is stable and they like it that way. Look at how they rule restarts, its flip a coin.
They are not going to leave Larson out, bookmark this (or the same note I made last week saying same).
This is why their sport won’t grow a lot. It has grown some but I think that was recovery from Covid years. They offend their long term fans yet offend the new ones too. Basically chased off SHR. Killed Dale not heeding warnings about safety. Someone brought an option to them before Dale died and they said no. All the stories about it disappeared as they control the sports writers. No one can call them out else their pass is pulled and they are out a job. Most controlled press in sports.
Larson has a huge grass roots following because he races dirt and mods all the time. They will not deny him.
Hamlin is the one who should be suspended. For owning one team and driving for another. And it shows how shallow Joe Gibbs is, he sacrifices his own integrity by not firing Hamlin. Hamlin has admitted he’d help his owned team over Gibbs team. Talk about no morals.
Last year Hamlin went whining to Nascar about Chase. Only then when he publicized the data was Chase suspended. And Hamlin has the nerve to say Nascar gets feelings hurt easily? Lol, thats Hamlin in a nutshell. He puts his own clicks ahead of integrity so I would never believe anything he says. He is out for Hamlin and his owned team.
Nascar has always lived on drama. In their eyes there is no bad press. Nothing is stable and they like it that way. Look at how they rule restarts, its flip a coin.
They are not going to leave Larson out, bookmark this (or the same note I made last week saying same).
This is why their sport won’t grow a lot. It has grown some but I think that was recovery from Covid years. They offend their long term fans yet offend the new ones too. Basically chased off SHR. Killed Dale not heeding warnings about safety. Someone brought an option to them before Dale died and they said no. All the stories about it disappeared as they control the sports writers. No one can call them out else their pass is pulled and they are out a job. Most controlled press in sports.
Larson has a huge grass roots following because he races dirt and mods all the time. They will not deny him.
Hamlin is the one who should be suspended. For owning one team and driving for another. And it shows how shallow Joe Gibbs is, he sacrifices his own integrity by not firing Hamlin. Hamlin has admitted he’d help his owned team over Gibbs team. Talk about no morals.
Last year Hamlin went whining to Nascar about Chase. Only then when he publicized the data was Chase suspended. And Hamlin has the nerve to say Nascar gets feelings hurt easily? Lol, thats Hamlin in a nutshell. He puts his own clicks ahead of integrity so I would never believe anything he says. He is out for Hamlin and his owned team.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:35 pm to OU Guy
Three people died before Dale.
Adam Petty,Kenny Irwin Jr, and Tony Roper. Died in 2000.
Then there was Blaze Alexander died in october 2001.
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Took Dale Sr dying before they mandated Hans devices and full face helmets. Dale wasn't willing to wear either of those. They should've made him.
Dale Sr would still be alive if he wore a hans and a full face helmet.
Let's not forget the Micheal waltrip wreck at Bristol in 1990. Why was there a guard rail there instead of a movable wall?
Nascar just is slow on things.
If they policed Nascar like they do IMSA, lots of issues would disappear.
Adam Petty,Kenny Irwin Jr, and Tony Roper. Died in 2000.
Then there was Blaze Alexander died in october 2001.
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Took Dale Sr dying before they mandated Hans devices and full face helmets. Dale wasn't willing to wear either of those. They should've made him.
Dale Sr would still be alive if he wore a hans and a full face helmet.
Let's not forget the Micheal waltrip wreck at Bristol in 1990. Why was there a guard rail there instead of a movable wall?
Nascar just is slow on things.
If they policed Nascar like they do IMSA, lots of issues would disappear.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:56 pm to WeareLATech
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IMSA
Weird because nascar owns IMSA. You’d think the management would be similar.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:44 am to TigerFanatic99
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That's a huge part of our society today. People refuse to even think on or consider the other position or side of things. It's being intentionally intellectually dense.
I understand the arguments against Larson getting the waiver. I can understand why people would be against waivers for anything other than missing a race due to illness/injury/emergency. My point is simply that if NASCAR has previously given a waiver to someone who missed a race due to suspension, then it seems inconsistent to withhold a waiver from Larson now.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 9:30 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:29 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Larson has been granted a waiver.
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:38 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:54 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:01 am to SPEEDY
So NASCAR is using "unchartered waters" as the reason for the delay on the waiver? 
They're basically saying no one over the last year considered the possibility of rain in Indy. Yeah, not buying that. This was just a show for them.
They're basically saying no one over the last year considered the possibility of rain in Indy. Yeah, not buying that. This was just a show for them.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:08 am to nvasil1
It was a talking point to stifle the talk about the decision to call the 600, as well as a cover story in the event they had the wide spread part failures at WWT like they did last year. He was never, not getting the waiver, just kept the airwaves on a topic they could dictate instead of a negative narrative they couldn't control.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:39 am to AwesomeSauce
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:40 am to OU Guy
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:11 pm to nvasil1
I really think they didn’t want to give him the waiver but the thought of going the rest of the season with Larson out of playoff contention was a bad look.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:32 pm to AwesomeSauce
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It was a talking point to stifle the talk about the decision to call the 600, as well as a cover story in the event they had the wide spread part failures at WWT like they did last year. He was never, not getting the waiver, just kept the airwaves on a topic they could dictate instead of a negative narrative they couldn't control.
You know your nascar well. It really is run three stooges like. They really think they are king of the castle. They assume everyone has to cater to them.
SHR leaving was a wake up call. Don’t underestimate the impacts. Think off all the contacts each has and how they can undercut nascar and take them elsewhere. Tony can show NHRA sponsors how much cheaper it is. He can move existing nascar sponsors too, due to his long-standing relationships.
Calling that 600 race really upset fans. And its very likely they did not want Larson to win. If he wins it gets lots of Indy fans behind him as they crossed over. But Nascar doesn’t want someone to jump in a car mid/late race and win. In their eyes it cheapens the race where other drivers battled all race long.
I think calling the 600 early was to burst Larsons bubble. No one can get too big else Nascar loses control. Larson winning would have got him many new Indy fans. Calling it early right as Larson was getting in was their way of control.
Like said delaying decision was strictly a a way to control the narrative. Mow you will have new fans - not knowing how shady nascar is - saying how great nascar is for making this decision - as those new fans don’t know it was decided a year ago.
Once you understand their thinking then you understand every decision is like this. Hamlin not getting a penalty for jumping start - that is Nascar paying back Toyota for some extra nascar money. And its related to 23x who Nascar wants so badly to win. Since Hamlin owns part of 23x then he gets a pass as its close association to 23x.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:34 pm to OU Guy
Don’t insult the memory or legacy of the Three Stooges by comparing them to NASCAR.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:46 pm to InkStainedWretch
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Don’t insult the memory or legacy of the Three Stooges by comparing them to NASCAR.
Thats a good point but I don’t know who’s on first anymore.
They always say the 3rd generation destroys what the 1st one built. Thats Nascar
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:21 pm to OU Guy
Qualifying groups Sonoma both series:
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:27 pm to OU Guy
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Calling that 600 race really upset fans
I'm under impression that FOX Sports had more to do with calling the race than NASCAR.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:28 pm to broadhead
Sonoma
ET
Fri
1:40-ARCA West p&q
4:05-FS1-Xfin prac
5:05-FS1-Cup prac
6:30-Flo-ARCA West 64
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6-FS2-Cup q
7:30-FS1-NASCAR RaceDay
8-Xfi 20-25-34
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3-FOX-NASCAR RaceDay
3:30-FOX-Cup 25-30-55
NWS:70s,0% rain
ET
Fri
1:40-ARCA West p&q
4:05-FS1-Xfin prac
5:05-FS1-Cup prac
6:30-Flo-ARCA West 64
Sat
3:30-FS2-Xfi q
6-FS2-Cup q
7:30-FS1-NASCAR RaceDay
8-Xfi 20-25-34
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2-FS1-NASCAR RaceDay
3-FOX-NASCAR RaceDay
3:30-FOX-Cup 25-30-55
NWS:70s,0% rain
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:31 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
“he was standing in the pitbox”
Yeah, when the race was halfway over.
Good for Kyle, tho.
Yeah, when the race was halfway over.
Good for Kyle, tho.
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