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re: 2024 NASCAR Season Thread - 2024-25 Offseason
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:29 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:29 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Hendrick will go scorched Earth if the waiver is denied.
And rightly so.
And rightly so.
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Posted on 6/2/24 at 10:03 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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Still, I don’t know how you can justify rejecting a waiver for Larson when Elliott got one after a NASCAR imposed suspension last year. Elliott actually got two waivers last year. One for the races he missed after the skiing injury and one for missing a race due to the suspension.
I feel like it's stupid that Larson hasn't received the waiver yet, but these aren't fair comparisons. Larson didn't miss the start because he was injured or suspended. He missed the start because he chose to race for a competitor series instead.
Posted on 6/2/24 at 10:08 pm to TigerFanatic99
Posted on 6/3/24 at 8:20 am to TigerFanatic99
I thought NASCAR has stopped banning drivers for competing in other series a long time ago.
Crossover is GOOD for both series.
Crossover is GOOD for both series.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 8:39 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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I’ve been watching Jeff Gluck and Jordan Bianchi’s post-race podcast and they’re on the subject of the Larson waiver. They’re saying that there are absolutely people in NASCAR’s competition department that are against giving Larson a waiver. Gluck doesn’t believe NASCAR is trying to drag this out, but that NASCAR hasn’t been decide what to do yet.
Still, I don’t know how you can justify rejecting a waiver for Larson when Elliott got one after a NASCAR imposed suspension last year. Elliott actually got two waivers last year. One for the races he missed after the skiing injury and one for missing a race due to the suspension.
NASCAR knows what it's doing when it comes to mismanagement. Fine Stenhouse for actually connecting with a punch for a change. And act like a petulant child because someone got to race in the Indy 500. Go NASCAR Go.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:42 am to bamameister
It really is amazing how often they step on their own dick.
Only the NFL does it better. It's laughable for them to fine Stenhouse but then use the clip of the incident to generate interest in the sport.
Only the NFL does it better. It's laughable for them to fine Stenhouse but then use the clip of the incident to generate interest in the sport.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:25 am to SkiUtah420
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Scotty Mac , like Newgarden are staying in Indycar
Newgarden won’t come to nascar. Scotty Mac will.
We will just disagree on that.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:33 am to TigerFanatic99
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I feel like it's stupid that Larson hasn't received the waiver yet, but these aren't fair comparisons. Larson didn't miss the start because he was injured or suspended. He missed the start because he chose to race for a competitor series instead.
I think it’s entirely fair to look at Elliott’s suspension when discussion Larson getting a waiver.
Elliott intentionally wrecked someone and got himself suspended by NASCAR. NASCAR, the same body that suspended him, then granted him a waiver to remained playoff eligible despite missing a race due to the NASCAR imposed suspension.
Larson had every intention of starting the Coke 600 until the weather screwed everything up. Rick Hendrick and the other decision makers didn’t want to throw all of the work that had been put into that Indy 500 effort away, so they told Larson to stay and run the Indy 500.
If NASCAR can grant a waiver to a driver that missed a race due to a NASCAR imposed suspension, then how can they turn around and deny one to a driver who had every intention of starting both races until the weather screwed those plans up?
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:05 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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If NASCAR can grant a waiver to a driver that missed a race due to a NASCAR imposed suspension, then how can they turn around and deny one to a driver who had every intention of starting both races until the weather screwed those plans up?
Because driver two missed the race to aid a competing series.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:58 am to TigerFanatic99
Did he aid a competing series or choose to compete in something that is a more than 100-year institution in motor sports?
Look, I have loved NASCAR for more than a half century of my life but this is the frickin’ Indy 500 …
Look, I have loved NASCAR for more than a half century of my life but this is the frickin’ Indy 500 …
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:59 am to TigerFanatic99
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Because driver two missed the race to aid a competing series.
So you have a problem with Larson getting a waiver due to missing a race after the weather messed his plans up, but you don't have a problem with Elliott getting a waiver for missing a race due to a suspension imposed because he intentionally wrecked a competitor (costing that competitor valuable points and possibly a win)?
Seems entirely inconsistent to me.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 12:02 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Would this be the first waiver not granted? I'm assuming one will be granted but will be interesting if they don't.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 12:04 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
The problem is too many people on both sides … Indy car fans don’t have clean hands here either … think this is zero-sum game and view the “competing series” as an enemy to be destroyed because there’s only room for one of them. Which IMO is silly. They can co-exist.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 12:07 pm to InkStainedWretch
And competition is always good. It makes things better.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 12:08 pm to broadhead
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Would this be the first waiver not granted? I'm assuming one will be granted but will be interesting if they don't.
Listening to Jeff Gluck's podcast last night, they said that there have been like 34 or 35 waiver requests across all 3 national series since the playoffs became a thing. I think they said 31 have been granted. They only specifically described that had not been granted, which was when Truck Series driver Grant Enfinger missed a Truck Series race because of a lack of sponsorship for that race. I'm not sure about the other denials.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 1:28 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
I don't know what goes into formally requesting a waiver, but NASCAR confirmed they only received the request from HMS last Thursday.
Also last week, NASCAR made a revised proposal in the charter agreement negotiations, which according to Hamlin, still unfairly favors HMS and JGR.
Pure speculation on my part, but holding onto the waiver for a few days could just be petty gamesmanship by NASCAR to show teams they're still the boss and/or they don't favor anybody. I fully expect the waiver to be granted eventually.
Also last week, NASCAR made a revised proposal in the charter agreement negotiations, which according to Hamlin, still unfairly favors HMS and JGR.
Pure speculation on my part, but holding onto the waiver for a few days could just be petty gamesmanship by NASCAR to show teams they're still the boss and/or they don't favor anybody. I fully expect the waiver to be granted eventually.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 5:55 pm to nvasil1
I thought this was cool to see. But I swear some time ago I thought they had a rule no pushing a teammate on last lap? Maybe I misremember.
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 6:13 pm to OU Guy
That was cool.
MTJ is a great teammate.
I honestly thought Bell would DNF.
MTJ is a great teammate.
I honestly thought Bell would DNF.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 7:09 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 6/3/24 at 7:10 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Denny the sage:
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Basically, Hamlin says NASCAR has always operated under the conviction that the show will go on with or without certain drivers and teams, and while that is historically true, it’s less true at this current juncture. He also says that NASCAR risks doing significant damage to itself if it makes a misstep in both how it treats Larson but also in how it navigates the charter negotiation process. “I need to think carefully about how I word this, and it isn’t going to (come across right) for sure, but I feel as though they get offended very easily,” Hamlin said of the sanctioning body. “They are very sensitive people.
“They believe they are the show in the U.S. and if you participate in NASCAR, you shouldn’t participate in anything else … and I just think they don’t like playing second fiddle to anyone.
“There is someone in NASCAR headquarters that doesn’t like being second fiddle and believes if you’re going to be over here, you need to be over here, and you’re ours now. So when he chose Indianapolis over the Coke 600, that person got very offended and you just never know what they’ll decide to do or the choice they’ll make.”
Hamlin says he could see NASCAR ‘making up a rule’ and allowing Larson to remain in the playoffs but also stripping him of all the playoff points he had earned to date.
“There’s no governance to keep them from doing whatever they want,” Hamlin said.
Hamlin pointed out that NASCAR added Jeff Gordon to the playoffs in 2013, even though he failed to qualify, but made up a grounds to do so in the aftermath of a scandal that saw Michael Waltrip Racing attempt to manipulate the regular season finale at Richmond.
He says the longer this goes on, no decision being made, that the worse it is for Larson.
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