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re: 2023 Formula 1 season Thread

Posted on 11/17/23 at 8:46 am to
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97809 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 8:46 am to
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If I ever do attend a race in person, it'll be Belgium, Monaco or COTA.


Things that will never happen for 5000 alex
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29845 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 9:04 am to
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It's a shame the car plays so much of a role in F1 these days.


I disagree. If you want close cars, watch a spec series. Most of the fun is in the engineering. It's an entire team coming together to solve a problem.

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Maybe it's biased hindsight, but I feel like even when Lewis was winning 20 titles in a row, it was at least more competitive. The last two years have just been awful since red bull has the most dominant car by far. Max is the best driver IMO, but he should at least be able to be challenged.




It's for sure rose colored hindsight. Merc dominance was real. It was only ever close when Ferrari were not-cheating-but-cheating.
Posted by horsesandbulls
Destin, FL
Member since Jun 2008
5202 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 9:12 am to
Around 10 last night, they told everyone that fp2 wasn’t happening. Did a dog and pony show with guenther and andrea stella. We went back to the hotel and went to bed around 11pm.

The cars fired up around 230 and woke us up. Kinda cool to hear them and watch them out the window. Didn’t find out the fan zone was closed until I read it on this thread…

This is fricking stupid.

Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35889 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 9:12 am to
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Lawrence Stroll has sold a minority stake in the Aston Martin team to US private equity firm Arctos Partners.


It still cracks me up that this dude has been basically buying his kid an F1 seat for years now.

Also, is this finally a race that Verstappen isn't going to win?
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28511 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 9:17 am to
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Things that will never happen for 5000 alex



Circuit de Catalunya wasn't very expensive.
Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
1139 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 9:22 am to
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I disagree. If you want close cars, watch a spec series. Most of the fun is in the engineering. It's an entire team coming together to solve a problem.


Yea but it rarely works, with Mclaren this season being the main outlier.

F1 needs to have multiple chassis manufacturers and powerplants that can be purchased on a yearly basis - Similar to the cart model i.e. In the late 90s when Team Penske’s proprietary chassis were rendered uncompetitive, they were able to purchase Reynards (and add their own aero mods) mid season and eventually became competitive again.

F1 is too restrictive in this regard- the budget cap has also hamstrung parity and competition as there is limited resources that can be thrown at paradigm shifting aero improvements

CART at its peak was the pinnacle of motorsports with 4-5 different chassic mfgs and 4-5 different power plants
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78319 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 9:30 am to
Nah. The model of F1 is fine. Don't go fricking it up using failed racing models.

The teams who spend money will continue to be at the front. Same is true in spec series like F2, F3, Indy, etc.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
17976 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 9:35 am to
Just getting caught up. I knew this would be a fricking disaster but wasn't exactly sure how. This has been every bit the shite show i expected.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28511 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 9:36 am to
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F1 is too restrictive in this regard- the budget cap has also hamstrung parity and competition as there is limited resources that can be thrown at paradigm shifting aero improvements


Yeah! Like catering!
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78319 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 9:38 am to
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This has been every bit the shite show i expected.


We are getting more Vegas than anyone could have hoped for.

3+ pages dedicated to 9 minutes of FP1 and a hidden FP2.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
33633 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 9:56 am to
yep, just caught up myself.

and seems pretty screwed up sainz is penalized for a track issue.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 9:59 am to
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I knew this would be a fricking disaster but wasn't exactly sure how. This has been every bit the shite show i expected.


Yup. The locals in Vegas are apparently not happy about F1 any more.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
7356 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:02 am to
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I mean, how am I supposed to care when I know who's going to win before it even starts?


Bc it's Max and Red Bull. Great season!

Merc fans be sad and stfu
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
17976 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:06 am to
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seems pretty screwed up sainz is penalized for a track issue

It's babyback bullshite. Which is to say, exactly what i expected from FIA when i heard how bad the damage was.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
17976 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:07 am to
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The locals in Vegas are apparently not happy about F1 any more.

I was there in September and they were already pissed. Every Uber driver, dealer, waiter, etc. was over the shite.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
84979 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:24 am to
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We went back to the hotel and went to bed around 11pm.


Hope you're getting your money back.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
84979 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:25 am to
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Yup. The locals in Vegas are apparently not happy about F1 any more.


But someone earlier in the thread said "what does it matter whether they like it or not" in no so many words.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78319 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:33 am to
Allegedly 1.7B being pumped into their economy. If that is true then the locals will have to get over it. Their employers want it.
Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
1139 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:37 am to
we all know those claims of economic activity from sporting events are totally bogus

for context the Indianapolis Motorspeedway reports it generates $1BN in econcomic activity for Indiana… if thats the baseline aint no way a Grand Prix that will host 20-30k people per day is coming close- even with the construction costs from the paddock and track build
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78319 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:40 am to
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we all know those claims of economic activity from sporting events are totally bogus



Well, do you have anything to refute that?

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thats the baseline aint no way a Grand Prix that will host 20-30k people per day

20-30k grandstand tickets sold is not equal to attendance, especially at this venue.

F1 covered the costs of the paddock. It is their new global HQ with Liberty Media.
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