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re: 2023 Formula 1 season Thread

Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:50 am to
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:50 am to
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1.7B being pumped into their economy.




Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:06 am to
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Well, do you have anything to refute that?


There are plenty of resources available via google that prove that these financial projections are bogus- eapecially regarding the grand tradition of failed street races in this country.


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20-30k grandstand tickets sold is not equal to attendance, especially at this venue.


yes- so add maybe 10,000 VIPs and you still amount to the same per day attendance as a sell out App State or strong G5 school football game.

Or to make a racing comparison: a moderately attended Cup or Indycar race

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F1 covered the costs of the paddock. It is their new global HQ with Liberty Media.



Yes- everyone paying attn knows this and it will look really weird there in 3 years when the race is gone and FWONK has lost 50% of its share value
This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 11:08 am
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:12 am to
Austin has had estimates of 1B return for each GP held there.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:12 am to


Toto was going off.
Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:20 am to
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Austin has had estimates of 1B return for each GP held there


And those numbers are completely inflated and not rooted in any reality as well.

Its a subjective number chamber of commerce and race promoters estimate to justify public spending/funds used to prop up the sporting event
This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:21 am to
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yes- so add maybe 10,000 VIPs and you still amount to the same per day attendance as a sell out App State or strong G5 school football game.

Or to make a racing comparison: a moderately attended Cup or Indycar race


Yes, conveniently leaving out all of those in attendance at non-F1 ticketed venues based all around the track will make the numbers a lot smaller. You have been pushing that bs narrative everytime you have had a chance.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:22 am to
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And those numbers are completely inflated and not rooted in any reality as well.

Its a subjective number chamber of commerce and tace promoters estimate to justify public spending/funds used to prop up the sporting event


Source: trust me bro
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:29 am to

Adam Stern
@A_S12

Among the revelations in @CNBC's new F1 doc, Liberty Media is spending closer to $600 million on @F1LasVegas, not $500 million, + event CEO Renee Wilm said that there were "south of 1,000" general-admission tickets put on sale this year, though the aim is to grow that next year.

——

Should have splurged for better welders.

I read so many complaints on social media last night. One was an Outback Steakhouse video sent by the manager and he showed an empty room with a comment “we sold one blooming onion”. Lots of businesses lost major customers due to this race.

Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:30 am to
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Yes, conveniently leaving out all of those in attendance at non-F1 ticketed venues based all around the track will make the numbers a lot smaller.


Because those people did not buy a ticket to the race- and its a relatively small number that doesn’t change the attendance by any order of magnitude


My father inlaw owns a building that overlooks turn 1 of the Detroit GP circuit. When i watch the race from his building I am not counted as a paid attendee for that race
This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 11:30 am
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:34 am to
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When i watch the race from his building I am not counted as a paid attendee for that race


You are correct.

Doesn't mean you aren't in attendance for the race.
Posted by TigerAlumni2010
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:41 am to
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Austin has had estimates of 1B return for each GP held there.


I can easily see the $1B figure for Austin considering how packed it was.
Posted by fightin tigers
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78309 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:51 am to
I think the Vegas F1 numbers are using the Austin numbers and banking on having nearly as many people in town for the event and the crowd spending more, because it's Vegas.

Do they actual get that number? No idea, not sure if the crowd outside the circuit is what they expected. Not sure if they were serious, but someone posted a casino having $20MM in bottle service for this weekend. Numbers like that are hard to believe, but again, Vegas.
This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 11:52 am
Posted by horsesandbulls
Destin, FL
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:51 am to
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se those people did not buy a ticket to the race- and its a relatively small number that doesn’t change the attendance by any order of magnitude



MGM has their own section on the strip that holds slightly more than "a relatively small number of people." You've got restaurants and casinos all up and down having their own viewing parties.

I'd wager there's a larger number of non F1 "seats" than most other races.
Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
1139 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:53 am to
I would take that wager all day, because this is the lowest attended race of the year outside of Bahrain.
Posted by OU Guy
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:57 am to

Arash Markazi
@ArashMarkazi

I’m fascinated by the number they come with for the final true financial impact of this year’s F1 Las Vegas Grand Prix. The Strip is dead. Restaurants are empty. Shows are dark. They’re telling everyone without a race ticket to stay away. It’s just a cold, miserable scene so far.
Posted by SkiUtah420
Member since Jul 2023
1139 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:57 am to
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Do they actual get that number? No idea, not sure if the crowd outside the circuit is what they expected. Not sure if they were serious, but someone posted a casino having $20MM in bottle service for this weekend. Numbers like that are hard to believe, but again, Vegas.


Nowhere close, there are entire sections of grandstands totally sparse during FP1... There maybe were 10k people at the track for practice

There is a decent amount of private jet traffic (I'm in the industry) but 400 private jets is not a huge number.

Based on hotel prices, there doesn't seem to be an extraordinary amount of people in Vegas for the race who don't plan on buying a race ticket
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
29467 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 11:59 am to
This guy has 770,000 twitter followers:


Matt Gallagher
@MattP1Gallagher

F1 fans at Las Vegas today:

- Spent thousands to be there
- Saw 9 minutes of FP1
- Waited HOURS for next session
- Kicked out just before FP2 starts
- F1 themselves haven’t apologised
- Probably not getting a refund

I feel so bad
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
Member since Aug 2014
9301 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 12:02 pm to
I have watched every GP since 1994.

If Alonso was retired, I would not tune in Saturday night.

Liberty Media is a clown turning F1 into a joke.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35886 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 12:15 pm to
I never realized the same firm that owns DRL and fucjing Live Nation own Formula1.

Insane.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
33633 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 12:16 pm to
just listened to the pod. i feel so bad for the fans. f1 needs to make that right.
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