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re: 2023 Formula 1 season Thread

Posted on 7/13/23 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by kengel2
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 2:55 pm to
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I kinda want Palou to stay in Indycar now.


As long as he stays away from redbull, he should be alright.

RedBull is Max Verstappen and then everyone else is like twenty tiers lower.
Posted by griddle
Member since Jan 2017
159 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 3:06 pm to
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Nyck's career ended at 9 races because Marko thinks he has a better option.

As a business owner I have to make this same decision daily.

If someone is performing sub par and costing the company time and/or money I have to make a change to someone that will perform.

This is no different than what F1 managers do. Difference is they have to pull from a very tiny "work force" (drivers) which makes it even more difficult for them.
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8501 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 3:19 pm to
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I don't think Nyck would have been bounced had RIC not been in the wings.

Nyck's career ended at 9 races because Marko thinks he has a better option.


I think its a marketing move just as much as a race performance move.

They plan to rebrand the team soon, what better way to draw attention than to stick one of F1's biggest stars behind the wheel? I'd imagine the rebrand name will be issued before the season ends, so they'll have Danny Ricc around to shine the light on that instead of just getting brushed off.

Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 3:20 pm to
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As a business owner I have to make this same decision daily.

If someone is performing sub par and costing the company time and/or money I have to make a change to someone that will perform.


While all true, do you also take into consideration you might be reacting too quickly?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 3:50 pm to
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Nyck's career ended at 9 races because Marko thinks he has a better option.

Not sure I see the issue with this?


I can definitely see the argument of not giving him enough time, but it's commendable to admit you made a mistake and deal with it immediately as opposed to trying to prove you were correct and keep him around too long because he's your guy.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85027 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 3:56 pm to
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I can definitely see the argument of not giving him enough time, but it's commendable to admit you made a mistake and deal with it immediately as opposed to trying to prove you were correct and keep him around too long because he's your guy.



Exactly... If you know he's not your guy longterm, break it off and move forward.

What Haas should have done with Nikita. Instead, they were too tied to the sponsorship and only made the change when they had to.

Now look what Hulk and Mag are doing. Yeah they aren't winning races, but they aren't consistent back of the pack.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:01 pm to
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Not sure I see the issue with this?



Explains the high washout rate with his drivers and his driver program.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:40 pm to
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Nyck's career ended at 9 races because Marko thinks he has a better option.




And you think this is wrong.

F1 isn't a fricking jobs program. It's performance based. If you don't perform you are gone.

Should an NFL team give a QB that sucks 2 years to continue to suck before making a move? No, and it doesn't happen if the team has a better choice.

Debris is 28 years old and has been driving single seaters for like 10 years. He's 3 tenths behind a guy that no one thinks is WDC material.

Adios Nick.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112848 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 4:45 pm to
Dumb, new F1 fan question...

If Alpha Tauri is the Red Bull junior program bssically and has a terrible car and Red Bull has an all time level fast car... Why don't they just give AT the exact same RB replica and Red Bull just completely dominate the sport with 4 drivers and 2 teams?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78359 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:08 pm to
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Should an NFL team give a QB that sucks 2 years to continue to suck before making a move? No, and it doesn't happen if the team has a better choice.


The football equivalent would be cutting him before conference play begins.

quote:

 He's 3 tenths behind a guy that no one thinks is WDC material.


While continuing to employ the second worse QB in the leauge for years with little improvement.

Junior team, coach him up. shite, coach anyone up at this point.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 5:13 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78359 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 5:11 pm to
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If Alpha Tauri is the Red Bull junior program bssically and has a terrible car and Red Bull has an all time level fast car... Why don't they just give AT the exact same RB replica and Red Bull just completely dominate the sport with 4 drivers and 2 teams?



Rules against it.

F1 is a constructors series. So you need to construct your own car. Or at least most of it. You are allowed to buy certain parts from other manufacturers (or have them made for you)

Haas is a good example of an independent that has Dallara construct the chassis and buys spec parts from Ferrari (including engine)


Also aren't allowed to share wind tunnel or research data. Although this is hard to completely police since teams share a lot of resources there as well.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 5:13 pm
Posted by TexasTiger33
United States of America
Member since Feb 2022
16128 posts
Posted on 7/13/23 at 10:19 pm to
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The even more ideal scenario for me is for Yuki to get promoted to Red Bull
I agree this would make for a very interesting team dynamic with Verstappen. Yuki would probably outperform Checo in the same car at this time I believe.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 10:20 pm
Posted by sorantable
Member since Dec 2008
54444 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:10 pm to
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Yuki would probably outperform Checo in the same car at this time I believe.

I doubt it.
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
7371 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:29 pm to
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Debris is 28 years old

He's Brandon Weeden and AT are the Browns.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 5:51 pm to
I don’t have any idea of how fast he is, but I think Yuki would be consistent
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
45897 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 5:56 pm to
Latest rumor mill has LeClerc to redbull and Sainz to Audi, with Albon taking a Ferrari seat.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
33644 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 7:24 pm to
Audi been keen on sainz for a while. And you know they will want a German in the other seat…enter mick.

Not sure if albon could handle the pressure of Ferrari. He is a super nice guy and has a good thing going at Williams.

Max has a man crush on Charles, so I could see that working.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33723 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 7:26 pm to
I wouldn't hate leclerc or sainz leaving the dumpster fire Ferrari.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:44 pm to
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Latest rumor mill has LeClerc to redbull and Sainz to Audi, with Albon taking a Ferrari seat.


That’s really spicy

It would be amazing to watch LeClerc battle Verstappen in an equal car. And Sainz makes sense, he wants to be the top driver, like they all do.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29869 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 9:00 pm to
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Latest rumor mill has LeClerc to redbull and Sainz to Audi, with Albon taking a Ferrari seat.


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