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re: 2022 Formula 1 Season Thread
Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:16 pm to UncleFestersLegs
Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:16 pm to UncleFestersLegs
Only thing is, that isn't how the rule is written, or at least allegedly written.
If you choose to divebomb the inside you only have to get to alongside and you can choose whatever line you like. Which means you could conceivably cover the entire track and not allow your opponent to turn until they were in the gravel.
For racers who are battling or entering the corner at the same time this makes some sense, a little murky when you choose the apex as the deciding line.
The drivers agreed to it though, so who are we to really critique it.
If you choose to divebomb the inside you only have to get to alongside and you can choose whatever line you like. Which means you could conceivably cover the entire track and not allow your opponent to turn until they were in the gravel.
For racers who are battling or entering the corner at the same time this makes some sense, a little murky when you choose the apex as the deciding line.
The drivers agreed to it though, so who are we to really critique it.
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 5:18 pm
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:49 pm to fightin tigers
How was Ocon able to fix his car under the early red flag last Saturday? His suspension was trashed in the first lap by Vettel running into him IIRC. Can F1 teams work on cars under a red flag?
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:53 pm to weagle99
They can. If they fix it on pit road they get to start where they are. If they push the car back into the garage for work they have to start from pit lane and in last place.
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:17 pm to fightin tigers
Hans Stuck on Vettel;
The old boys don't mince words.
quote:
“He can drive in Formula 1, there is no discussion about that. And when he's in the car, he doesn't speak. He still drives well, but for everything else he just talks nonsense. He says completely wrong things. He should just give the gas and shut up.I don't know why he's doing this. He is a young and intelligent man, a good driver, but I do not understand why he is going to be interested in these issues “
The old boys don't mince words.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:36 pm to BuckyCheese
Thanks for the Ocon explanation above.
Re: Vettel: He has annoyed me but I can respect that he admitted to being a hypocrite. Most wouldn’t do that.
And his support of Mick is a good thing.
Re: Vettel: He has annoyed me but I can respect that he admitted to being a hypocrite. Most wouldn’t do that.
And his support of Mick is a good thing.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:10 pm to Rainydave
Meaning of "Co" I am referring to is the "At the same time" definition.
So Sainz and LeClerc can't both be World Champions for the SAME year.
In that regard It my opinion Ferrari should be bending over backwards for Leclerc who is the superior driver.
So Sainz and LeClerc can't both be World Champions for the SAME year.
In that regard It my opinion Ferrari should be bending over backwards for Leclerc who is the superior driver.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 9:23 pm to BleedPnG
quote:
Ferrari is picking the wrong horse in my opinion and gonna cost them both.
I like Carlos BUT from where I am sitting Leclerc is the next MULTI -Year WC
(other than obviously Max)
Pit strategy cost them. Sainz had a much faster car at the time because of tires. I mean he passed him on the 1st lap of tbe restart even with them racing, not team orders. If they would have had Sainz stay back and try and hold off Checco and Lewis, he could have potentially gotten passed and then Checco and Lewis would have hunted down Leclerc.
They aren't picking Sainz as their horse, they just needed that team win and Leclerc wasn't going to get that for them.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 9:28 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Ferrari screwed the pit call. They should have brought Leclerc and Sainz in, let Hamilton split them and then hope Sainz could get it back.
Even if Hamilton stayed out on new-ish hards Leclerc would have swallowed him up along with Sainz.
If after the final stop it started HAM-LEC-PER-SAI then Ferrari takes 1/2 without an issue.
Ferrari got caught out and didn't see themselves able to doublestack with a 5 second gap, which is crazy.
Even if Hamilton stayed out on new-ish hards Leclerc would have swallowed him up along with Sainz.
If after the final stop it started HAM-LEC-PER-SAI then Ferrari takes 1/2 without an issue.
Ferrari got caught out and didn't see themselves able to doublestack with a 5 second gap, which is crazy.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 10:41 pm to fightin tigers
Leclerc with a broken car was faster than Sainz in that first stint. That's all I need to know to know who the faster driver is between those two and who the real championship contender is that can take the title fight to Max. Sainz is not the guy.
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 7/7/22 at 12:27 am to totospumpernickel
On a slightly different note, do you guys think we will ever have another season like the 2010 F1 season? We are so used to one or at most two teams dominating over the last 8-9 seasons that we forget that there was a time in F1 where multiple teams and drivers could be fighting for wins on any given weekend.
2010 IMHO was one of the GOAT seasons where some pretty incredible things happened:
- There were 19 races in the season. Red Bull won 9 races, and McLaren and Ferrari won 5 races each.
- Going into the final race, Vettel, Hamiton, Weber and Alonso were all in contention to win the WDC. This was the first occasion that four drivers still had a chance of winning the Drivers' Championship at the final event of the season.
- These were the points standings before the final race: Alonso - 246 (5 race h wins), Weber - 238 (4 wins) Vettel - 231 (4 wins), Hamiton - 222 (3 wins).
- Alonso only needed to finish 4th or higher to win his 3rd WDC, but as it turned out he got stuck behind Russian driver Vitaly Petrov who was on a one-stopper for a majority of the race and only managed to finish 7th.
- Fun fact #1: If Alonso finished 5th, Vettel and Alonso would have had the same amount of points, same amount of wins, same amount of 2nd places, same amount of 3rd places. But Vettel would still have won due to having finished 4th more times than Alonso.
- Fun fact #2: There were a record 10 changes of leadership in the title race, variously led by every top-6 finisher except Vettel, who eventually took the championship victory in the last race. The first time Vettel lead the championship was when he won the final race and secured the championship simultaneously.
- WDC lead changes through the 2010 season:
If Mercedes had got their act together with the W13 in the off-season, this year could have been one of those 2010-type seasons. But it wasn't meant to be.
2010 IMHO was one of the GOAT seasons where some pretty incredible things happened:
- There were 19 races in the season. Red Bull won 9 races, and McLaren and Ferrari won 5 races each.
- Going into the final race, Vettel, Hamiton, Weber and Alonso were all in contention to win the WDC. This was the first occasion that four drivers still had a chance of winning the Drivers' Championship at the final event of the season.
- These were the points standings before the final race: Alonso - 246 (5 race h wins), Weber - 238 (4 wins) Vettel - 231 (4 wins), Hamiton - 222 (3 wins).
- Alonso only needed to finish 4th or higher to win his 3rd WDC, but as it turned out he got stuck behind Russian driver Vitaly Petrov who was on a one-stopper for a majority of the race and only managed to finish 7th.
- Fun fact #1: If Alonso finished 5th, Vettel and Alonso would have had the same amount of points, same amount of wins, same amount of 2nd places, same amount of 3rd places. But Vettel would still have won due to having finished 4th more times than Alonso.
- Fun fact #2: There were a record 10 changes of leadership in the title race, variously led by every top-6 finisher except Vettel, who eventually took the championship victory in the last race. The first time Vettel lead the championship was when he won the final race and secured the championship simultaneously.
- WDC lead changes through the 2010 season:
If Mercedes had got their act together with the W13 in the off-season, this year could have been one of those 2010-type seasons. But it wasn't meant to be.
This post was edited on 7/7/22 at 1:52 am
Posted on 7/7/22 at 7:20 am to rickgrimes
quote:
But it wasn't meant to be.
Thank god
Posted on 7/7/22 at 7:31 am to nola tiger lsu
PSA: Incase you didn’t realize this is a sprint weekend which means qualifying is Friday, sprint race Saturday, and Grand Prix Sunday.
Still wish the qualifying Friday set the grid for Sunday. Don’t like that the sprint determines the starting formation.
But I like having the extra random race on Saturday. This is a conundrum for me.
Still wish the qualifying Friday set the grid for Sunday. Don’t like that the sprint determines the starting formation.
But I like having the extra random race on Saturday. This is a conundrum for me.
Posted on 7/7/22 at 7:44 am to 225rumpshaker
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:35 am to 225rumpshaker
Team Sprints Suck checking in. 
Posted on 7/7/22 at 9:17 am to barry
quote:
Pierre should have lifted along with Russell not squeezing him.
Uh...he did lift. Russell just drove right into him. What replay are you watching?
This post was edited on 7/7/22 at 9:18 am
Posted on 7/7/22 at 9:21 am to 225rumpshaker
quote:
qualifying is Friday, sprint race Saturday,
What does this mean? I'm just now getting into the sport. Been enjoying the heck out of it so far.
Posted on 7/7/22 at 9:28 am to Tornado Alley
Qualifying on Friday determines the grid for the sprint race. The sprint race final standings determine grid positions for the grand prix.
Posted on 7/7/22 at 9:59 am to YOURADHERE
Sorry respectfully disagree at this point, with the understanding I have only seen 1 sprint BUT
I really liked it the first time this year.
For you F1 guys who have been in it longer why the dislike of the Sprint?
I really liked it the first time this year.
For you F1 guys who have been in it longer why the dislike of the Sprint?
Posted on 7/7/22 at 10:04 am to BleedPnG
I'll just copy/paste my bitching from the first sprint this year earlier in this thread.
quote:
I think the sprints are gimmicks, and the fact that they're only at 3 races makes them seem even more of a gimmick.
Their purpose is to generate more money, I understand that, by having an important thing on each day, quali Friday, sprint Saturday, race Sunday.
I've always appreciated F1's ramp up to the big race, press conference on Thursday, all the speculation following FP1 & FP2 on Friday, the excitement of qualifying on Saturday, and (hopefully) a great race on Sunday. This format is also easiest to follow for anyone new viewing F1.
Sprint format are the Michael Bay Transformer movies of racing formats, packed full of action for the sake of being packed full of action. Confusing for new people too. First we practice, then we qualify, then we practice again and then we race but this race is to set the order of the actual race so qualifying is a little less important and after we race THEN we race race for the big race.
Sprint formats is having something for the sake of just having something, a gimmick. My fear is that too many gimmicks(as well as too many races) start to water down what is already a great product. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.
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