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re: 2022 Formula 1 Season Thread

Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:20 am to
Posted by barry
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:20 am to
quote:

100% Russell


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slow down to .5x speed and you can see George turn his head and look into his mirror and try to cut Gasly off. I'm not sure what the regulations are in the straights but George definitely initiated chicken and lost. Pierre could have lifted too, but you always run the risk of being the guy who always backs off. Ultimately you know the merc has more pace than your car, so Pierre should have lifted along with Russell not squeezing him.
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 11:21 am
Posted by YOURADHERE
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:26 am to
Also consider that George got a poor start which let Latifi by, so I think his look/move left shows that he was trying to cover off any other potential threats coming up his left but Pierre was already there when he closed the gap.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:54 am to
Listening to the Missed Apex podcast and someone brought up the new clarification given at the beginning of the season, on passing, allows what we saw at Silverstone in the last few laps.

Haven't seen the directives themselves or anyone else break this down. What is described seems really...out there. If true.

23:45 about a 3-5 minute explanation
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by auisssa
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

Pierre could have lifted too, but you always run the risk of being the guy who always backs off.


To me it looks like Pierre did back off the throttle to hopefully avoid contact. But couldn't slam on the breaks for obvious reasons.
Posted by BleedPnG
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 3:21 pm to
How true of a comparison!

Don't think there has ever been CO - World champion drivers.

Ferrari is picking the wrong horse in my opinion and gonna cost them both.

I like Carlos BUT from where I am sitting Leclerc is the next MULTI -Year WC
(other than obviously Max)
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 3:51 pm to
I agree about LeClerc although I will also admit to being a fan. His maturation as a driver over the last couple of years has been fun to watch. The battle with Hamilton on Sunday is a great example. If that had happened two years ago neither would have finished the race.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 4:34 pm to
Jolyn Palmer's recap on F1TV showed a replay of Albon and Mag in the same situation as Mick and Max coming to the flag a couple years ago.

Mick shouldn't have lifted.

Albon didn't and Mag put himself in the kitty litter when he cut in just like Max did.

Would have made for a spectacular finish.
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 4:36 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 4:41 pm to
Mick would have gained a ton of fans and enemies in a blink of an eye.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 4:52 pm to
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What is described seems really...out there. If true.


I welcome it… never understood why you shouldn’t be allowed to use the whole track or block, swerve, etc…

It’s racing… I wanna see people take chances, run risks, play chicken.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:00 pm to
When I raced in SCCA if someone wanted by I gave them the outside but I was under no obligation to alter my racing line unless they were along side me completely. When I passed someone on the outside I watched their front wheel and if they decided not to leave me room then I waited until the next corner. I've always felt the responsibility was in the overtaking car to avoid contact and that's how it raced. I have no idea what the F1 rules are now given all the mixed messages but if I'm overtaking, I'm not going to leave my arse out in the grass and bitch that I wasn't given room. I want the place I have to take it
Posted by Rainydave
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:07 pm to
quote:

Don't think there has ever been CO - World champion drivers. Ferrari is picking the wrong horse in my opinion and gonna cost them both.


Huh? Do you mean teammates that both were both WDC? Because that’s happened a bunch of times.

LEC is pretty clearly Ferrari’s #1. His contract alone would tell you that. They just unsurprisingly fricked up strategy last race because…Ferrari…
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:07 pm to
quote:

Mick would have gained a ton of fans and enemies in a blink of an eye.



Driver of the day.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:16 pm to
Only thing is, that isn't how the rule is written, or at least allegedly written.

If you choose to divebomb the inside you only have to get to alongside and you can choose whatever line you like. Which means you could conceivably cover the entire track and not allow your opponent to turn until they were in the gravel.

For racers who are battling or entering the corner at the same time this makes some sense, a little murky when you choose the apex as the deciding line.

The drivers agreed to it though, so who are we to really critique it.
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 5:18 pm
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:49 pm to
How was Ocon able to fix his car under the early red flag last Saturday? His suspension was trashed in the first lap by Vettel running into him IIRC. Can F1 teams work on cars under a red flag?
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 5:50 pm
Posted by auisssa
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:53 pm to
They can. If they fix it on pit road they get to start where they are. If they push the car back into the garage for work they have to start from pit lane and in last place.
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 5:55 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:59 pm to
Steering wheel!!!
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:17 pm to
Hans Stuck on Vettel;

quote:

“He can drive in Formula 1, there is no discussion about that. And when he's in the car, he doesn't speak. He still drives well, but for everything else he just talks nonsense. He says completely wrong things. He should just give the gas and shut up.I don't know why he's doing this. He is a young and intelligent man, a good driver, but I do not understand why he is going to be interested in these issues “


The old boys don't mince words.
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:36 pm to
Thanks for the Ocon explanation above.

Re: Vettel: He has annoyed me but I can respect that he admitted to being a hypocrite. Most wouldn’t do that.

And his support of Mick is a good thing.
Posted by BleedPnG
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:10 pm to
Meaning of "Co" I am referring to is the "At the same time" definition.

So Sainz and LeClerc can't both be World Champions for the SAME year.

In that regard It my opinion Ferrari should be bending over backwards for Leclerc who is the superior driver.
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