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re: 2022 Formula 1 Season Thread

Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:49 am to
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:49 am to
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whole lot of politics and sandbagging going on
It's not even sandbagging. Every team is testing different things about the car and different scenarios.

I hope to see those teams competing at the front, but it's like someone going out fastest during warmups in practice. It means nothing.
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:50 am to
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Just been drafted
Posted by gobigred
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:54 am to
They all have wind tunnels but by rule the wind tunnels are not full scale and there is some kind of rule about how much time they are allowed to use the wind tunnels they have. The flo-vis and the aero rakes allow them to get some real world correlation between what the wind tunnel says and what is actually happening at speed.
Posted by NfamousPanda
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:32 am to
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It's not even sandbagging. Every team is testing different things about the car and different scenarios.

I hope to see those teams competing at the front, but it's like someone going out fastest during warmups in practice. It means nothing.


For sure. But the high lap counts and good times have me at least a little optimistic that both teams have their car in order going into the season
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:32 am to
Looks like Merc added some new, bigger, relocated gills today
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:34 am to
I hope so. Those two teams have possibly my four favorite drivers on the grid, and I'd like to see them at the top.
Posted by YOURADHERE
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 11:30 am to
Here's a video showing the porpoising, it's a bit more violent than I expected.

LINK


Brings up a good question, doe Pirelli become concerned with potential for a high speed blowout? I'd imagine there's a ton of force being applied to a tire while doing 185+mph, now factor in a bouncing motion on the sidewall too.
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 11:57 am to
Oh wow, that's a lot more pronounced than I expected.

Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:03 pm to
So how fricked is Haas with sanctions against Russian oligarchs?
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:57 pm to
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They all have wind tunnels but by rule the wind tunnels are not full scale and there is some kind of rule about how much time they are allowed to use the wind tunnels they have.


Where they finished in the championship in 2020 determines the amount of wind tunnel time they have for the first half of 2022. Oddly enough the boys from Maranello finished worse in 2020 than they have in decades.

The sliding scale gets reset at the middle of the season based on current WCC points.

The handicap system also constrains the CFD work. CFD limits are on both the computing power and time. This limit is one reason Ross Brawn thought the teams would have a hard time outsmarting the rules because the technical team setting up the rules used significantly more computing power (order of magnitudes IIRC) as well as significantly more time running the computers.

I think the aero restrictions are showing with Mercedes. The fact they came to Spain with such an array of bodywork indicates to me they had lots of ideas but not enough tunnel and CFD time to do proof of concept work. It may also be part of the reason they built a car not very far removed from 2021 on the top. If there is one thing Mercedes can do it is in-season development so any handicap initially will likely be wiped out in short order.



To the thread:

The porpoising concerns me but I think they can get it fixed within 6-8 weeks, the issue is solving it and NOT giving up performance. I would expect on at least one car solving the problem leads to a large loss of performance and someone will go the route of Sir Frank when Alan Jones complained about porpoising and just tell them to sit on their wallet, I guess it works better for the more well-compensated drivers.

I was actually wondering if Merc had built a donkey but when Russell said of Ferrari and McLaren "We all know we’re on different programs but we definitely know from the average of all the different runs we’re behind them at the moment" I knew they were fine. When Merc drivers say they have a donkey I know they are lying.

Sainz related the cars (at least the F1-75) is highly sensitive to fuel loads with huge deltas between light and heavy loads.

I have to admit that Max surprised me by overhauling his driving style completely based on trackside reports.





Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 12:59 pm to
Fun answer: non issue, HAAS was already fricked before the year started

Legit answer: Well, considering Ferrari is HAAS's daddy, they shouldnt be in too bad of a situation... cost cap helps as well... only question is what their internal budget looks like and how much has already been allocated for the year
Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 1:02 pm to
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So how fricked is Haas with sanctions against Russian oligarchs?


Haas to drop Uralkali Russian Branding for final day of F1 testing


This is going to get wild, I bet Netflix is scrambling to get a DTS crew out there ASAP.
Posted by bikerack
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 1:27 pm to
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Haas to drop Uralkali Russian Branding for final day of F1 testing


This is going to get wild, I bet Netflix is scrambling to get a DTS crew out there ASAP.


Mazepin is scheduled to test tomorrow morning. It will be interesting if he does. If the sponsorship is gone, he would probably lose his seat since it was purchased.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 1:32 pm to
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Only guy on the grid who stands for his convictions


I want less politics in sports. Not more.
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 1:49 pm to
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Haas to drop Uralkali Russian Branding for final day of F1 testing
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 1:50 pm to
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Mazepin is scheduled to test tomorrow morning. It will be interesting if he does. If the sponsorship is gone, he would probably lose his seat since it was purchased.


Pietro Fittipaldi right about now:



Posted by fightin tigers
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 1:55 pm to
Well well well, look who came crawling back...

-- William Storey
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29099 posts
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:03 pm to
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William Storey


Please let this happen.
Posted by AutoYes_Clown
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:05 pm to
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If the sponsorship is gone, he would probably lose his seat


Not just about sponsorship, but a potential boycott of and revoking travel / VISA / passport into certain countries.

Posted by YOURADHERE
Member since Dec 2006
8411 posts
Posted on 2/24/22 at 2:09 pm to
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Well well well, look who came crawling back...

-- William Storey


I have a bet with some friends that if Rich Energy ever returns to F1 as a title sponsor I have to pop open this very expired can of Rich Energy on my desk and drink it.


Haas certainly has had their share of sponsorship blunders for such a very young team.
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