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Posted by Johncena69
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Posted by SEC. 593
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 12:02 pm to
McKinsey and Bain won't give you a sniff if you're not coming from a Big 20 Business School.
Posted by ATLdawg25
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 12:12 pm to
if you submit a resume with "johncena69@hotmail" in your contact information, you are golden.

But for real, if you are considering work/life balance when thinking about what you want to do, you can probably cross investment banking off your list. There is no balance the first few years.
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:02 pm to
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But for real, if you are considering work/life balance when thinking about what you want to do, you can probably cross investment banking off your list. There is no balance the first few years.

Ditto for mgmt consulting. Both areas require prestige degrees and way above average abilities.
Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:04 pm to
Do you go to an Ivy League/MIT/CalTech/Stanford/Chicago/Duke/Amherst level school?
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:10 pm to
I would think that you're probably going to have to get an MBA for either of those fields, but I could be wrong.

I don't have experience in either of those fields, just friends who work in them. They all have MBAs or JDs.
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
53174 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:29 pm to
He could be an IB analyst with a bachelors but he’ll need an MBA to move up beyond that.
Posted by zell_miller
Athens
Member since Dec 2014
81 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 2:49 pm to
I work in corporate development at a large tech consulting firm in the tier below MBB. Echoing above, you'll need to be at a top 25 undergrad and in the top of your class to be even considered for IB or the top tier strategy consulting firms. Being some of the most high profile gigs available out of undergrad, the work/life balance scale tips heavily towards work, especially in the first few years. From what I've seen from my colleagues and friends, the hours in consulting are marginally lighter than IB (60-80 hours/week rather than 80-100). With consulting, you'll be predominantly on the road, which could be a positive or negative depending on the person. Also, consulting is largely project-dependent that can last an extended period of time, so if you get stuck on a terrible project you'll have a much different experience than someone in your starting class who got put on a good client. Both paths offer some of the best exit opportunities in the biz, whether that be in another industry or MBA. My advice would be to start kicking arse yesterday- both in class and extracurriculars. Network and gather as much intel as possible from recent grads to get their experience and see how it aligns with your goals/interests
Posted by Spirit of Dunson
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:04 pm to
I work for a major chemical company and have been running projects the past 4 years that had heavy involvement from consultants (McK, EY, Deloitte, and others). I also have many friends from school that work in both IB and consulting (from Columbia).
The insight you gain in that job is amazing. You have more access to leadership than most people in that client's company; you help drive the decision process; and have major impact on a business; you can see a broad set of companies, cultures, industries, etc. in a very short time; and you make great money.
That's the good.
You also have no work life balance; you will be treated poorly by the client and hated by the client's employees; and spend a ton of time making PowerPoint slides.

If you are up for it and have the chance, I would recommend doing it for a few years before finding an exit route.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
6442 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:11 pm to
Do the Internal Audit concentration at LSU. You can get on with a big 4 advisory practice. That will likely be your best path for an undergrad.
Posted by Louie T
htx
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:20 pm to
It’s still very, very tough to make it into competitive strategy consulting after B4 advisory positions that the LSU IA curriculum generally opens up.
Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
4918 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

I would think that you're probably going to have to get an MBA for either of those fields, but I could be wrong.

I don't have experience in either of those fields, just friends who work in them. They all have MBAs or JDs.


MBB do on-campus recruiting for undergrad but only from elite schools. Even then, it's work there for 2-3 years then go work for a client or go get your MBA if you want to stay in management consulting.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24135 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 6:53 pm to
I worked as a management consultant right out of undergrad at one of the big firms. I currently work with colleagues from many of the other big consulting firms including MBB. I came from a non-target school in undergrad and had to work my arse off to get interviews. I recently finished my MBA and had a number of classmates go the consulting route...this is honestly the easiest route.

I’m happy to jump on a call with you if you want to discuss in more detail. I also considered IB and had opportunities in undergrad that I passed on for consulting.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
In hiding with Tupac & XXXTentacion
Member since Dec 2008
31897 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 6:57 pm to
I figured you would be posting here. Did you switch out of consulting and start working for a Fortune 500 type of firm?

I always wondered what the consultants did if they didn’t stick around and work their way up the company ladder. I think general management jobs are fading away and mostly reserved for the leadership development programs.
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
53174 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 7:40 pm to
Upvote for solid advice.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18554 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:26 pm to
I've interviewed for some small management consulting firms and did relatively alright in the interviews because of previous consulting experience at a bank and that might the route to go. There are thousands of consultants of all levels and there are some real niches where you can make a ton of money.

A sr consultant at a small firm could easily make 130k and work from home or not be on a project for weeks at a time

With management consulting, you are on the road Monday through Thursday but you will also rack up tens of thousands of dollars of points.

My family member who was a consultant t flew to Thailand d from New York and stayed at 4-5 star hotels across Southeast Asia for two weeks off just points saved.

They do expect you to clock at least 2100 hours to be billed to the client a year and that doesn't add in all the hours of training g and no -client billed work you have to do.

I was told if I get an MBA, I'd start out at least at 105k
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 9:35 pm
Posted by barry
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Member since Aug 2006
50337 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:54 pm to
quote:

the hours in consulting are marginally lighter than IB (60-80 hours/week rather than 80-100).


The hours in consulting are WAY lighter than IB. 95%+ of consultants aren't logging north of 60 hours on a regular basis.

The best part of consulting vs. IB hours wise, is that even if you are putting in serious time. You can work from home most friday-sunday. Expect to be in the office saturdays and some sundays in IB as an analyst.


The two careers are VERY different. IB will exit primarily to corporate development and PE jobs. The PE jobs are very competitive, not only to get, but also to move up.

Consulting depends on what you go into. I'll argue that you will learn more about actual business and will come in handy if you ever want to start your own or work in ops.

Regardless what you want to do 2-4 years of IB or management consulting will propel your career far further than any of your peers that go into industry.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18554 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:06 pm to
Just curious, what do you define as an investment banker because people have very different definitions.

i see an investment banker as a M&A/corporate restructuring/ bond issuance.

Others see investment banking much more broadly including sales/trading units which i don't think should. E included as investment bankers and sales/trading are supposed to be segregated.
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 1:43 am
Posted by Louie T
htx
Member since Dec 2006
36302 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:20 pm to
quote:

Just curious, what do you define as an investment and because people have very different definitions.

i see an investment banker as a M&A/corporate restructuring/ bond issuance.

Others see investment banking much more broadly including sales/trading units which i don't think should. E included as investment bankers and sales/trading are supposed to be segregated.
Wut
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Member since Dec 2008
31897 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 10:49 pm to
Most would say your first definition is Investment banking. The second would be front office finance (along with equity research).
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