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re: X/Twitter is already cash flow positive per a Bloomberg reporter

Posted on 10/10/23 at 12:18 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 12:18 pm to
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Who isn't cash flow positive when you don't include your debts?

In Silicon Valley?



*ETA: just read the rest of the thread. It's so serious/animated I just wanted to assure everyone my post above was a joke.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:35 pm to
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I remember a lot of people saying he would lose that $44 billion and how dumb he is.


Think of how dumb a person must be to think the (self-made) richest man in the world is dumb.

Just think of that...
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:39 pm to
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It has been 22 years since that has happened


It didn't happen, then. The Clinton/Gingrich "surplus" is a myth. It didn't happen. There was an "on paper" balance/surplus, but the debt ultimately went up, so it was bullshite accounting tricks at best.

At worst, they lied to you. The last "surplus" surplus (which means the debt actually went down, however slightly) was under Nixon.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 10:54 pm to
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Think of how dumb a person must be to think the (self-made) richest man in the world is dumb.


Elon isn’t dumb, which is why he’d tell you he overpaid for Twitter.
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 10/12/23 at 12:13 am to
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Six Months Ago NPR Left Twitter. The Effects Have Been Negligible

A lot of people threaten to leave Twitter. Not many of them have actually done it.

Last April, the company gave NPR a reason to quit — it labeled the network “U.S. state-affiliated media,” a designation that was at odds with Twitter’s own definition of the term. NPR stopped posting from its account on April 4. A week later, it posted its last update — a series of tweets directing users to NPR’s newsletters, app, and other social media accounts. Many member stations across the country, including KUOW in Seattle, LAist in Los Angeles, and Minnesota Public Radio, followed suit.

Six months later, we can see that the effects of leaving Twitter have been negligible. A memo circulated to NPR staff says traffic has dropped by only a single percentage point as a result of leaving Twitter, now officially renamed X, though traffic from the platform was small already and accounted for just under two percent of traffic before the posting stopped. (NPR declined an interview request but shared the memo and other information). While NPR’s main account had 8.7 million followers and the politics account had just under three million, “the platform’s algorithm updates made it increasingly challenging to reach active users; you often saw a near-immediate drop-off in engagement after tweeting and users rarely left the platform,” the memo says.

There’s one view of these numbers that confirms what many of us in news have long suspected — that Twitter wasn’t worth the effort, at least in terms of traffic. “It made up so little of our web traffic, such a marginal amount,” says Gabe Rosenberg, audience editor for KCUR in Kansas City, which stopped posting to Twitter at the same time as NPR. But Twitter wasn’t just about clicks. Posting was table stakes for building reputation and credibility, either as a news outlet or as an individual journalist. To be on Twitter was to be part of a conversation, and that conversation could inform stories or supply sources. During protests, especially, Twitter was an indispensable tool for following organizers and on-the-ground developments, as well as for communicating to the wider public. This kind of connection is hard to give up, but it’s not impossible to replace.

Maybe worth a read?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:11 am to
Twitter was always about the individual journos more than major legacy organizations. NPR, NYT, Wapo, etc. already have brands and followings. Your individual journalists and independents/small operations are the ones who need social media to create branding and celebrity. That status is incredibly important in the internet age for individuals.
Posted by MyRockstarComplex
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/12/23 at 8:05 am to
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He'll have to find other ways to Anti-Crist.


The president is a puppet. We’ll all be chipped soon enough and see what real ultimate power is.

Hear me out here, but if we are all chipped and use X as a primary method of communication, then how far off would we be from telekinesis?

Hell, most people under 30 only want to communicate non-verbally (text/SMS, emails, etc) anyway. Him developing the chip, owning the biggest messaging service, developing transportation vehicles, and pushing for galactic travel really makes me think aliens are evolved humans time traveling. Maybe he’s some sort of alien Jesus figure they/we sent trying to nudge us in the evolution. Some sort of alien Christ. Maybe an anti-Christ?!
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 8:13 am
Posted by Drizzt
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Posted on 10/13/23 at 7:53 pm to
It’s almost like Elon is a genius…
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 10/14/23 at 8:19 am to
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remember a lot of people saying he would lose that $44 billion and how dumb he is.


If after making all these cuts he can't even service the debt, he is losing a lot of that $44B

For comparison, If Elon put that $44B in 10 YR Treasury notes he'd be making about $2B per year in profit


If you can't beat a Treasury, you are in a bad place. Hard to imagine people would choose to invest in twitters future instead of a Treasury.
This post was edited on 10/14/23 at 8:57 am
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 10/14/23 at 4:51 pm to
Y’all are looking at this wrong and it’s early.

Elon has consistently referenced his goal for X. A better WeChat. WeChat made $81 billion last year.

Yes, I think Elon can make a better version of the Chinese WeChat.

Will take some time sure.

Yea, I’m sure everyone who has done less than Elon and worth much less will say he can’t.
This post was edited on 10/14/23 at 4:55 pm
Posted by LSUnation78
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Posted on 10/16/23 at 8:33 am to
What is threads?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:25 am to
"X is already cash flow positive not including the cost of servicing debt."

Lol, that's NOT cash flow positive. And being cash flow positive at the back half of 2024 is just a claim by Yaccarino, not a fact.

The debt service payments are massive and then you have to consider ROI...great you are some dollars into positive FREE cash flow...how long to recoup your $44B investment...last analysis of the company value was $15B. Long way to go for Musk to claim any kind of financial victory.
Posted by wutangfinancial
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:53 am to
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Cash Flow Positive before Debt Service



There's nothing wrong with using unlevered free cash flow in valuations
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:59 am to
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They are down to 1300. They had over 7000 before he took over


And still trimming the fat.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:05 pm to
quote:

"X is already cash flow positive not including the cost of servicing debt."

Lol, that's NOT cash flow positive. And being cash flow positive at the back half of 2024 is just a claim by Yaccarino, not a fact.

The debt service payments are massive and then you have to consider ROI...great you are some dollars into positive FREE cash flow...how long to recoup your $44B investment...last analysis of the company value was $15B. Long way to go for Musk to claim any kind of financial victory.
Would be much more convincing/compelling if he just said "I really didn't care about entry price, I knew the principle at stake was important, so I picked my spot". I kind of think he has said something in that direction before.

But the idea that it's been "good" simply from an investment perspective is absurd.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:28 am to
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Would be much more convincing/compelling if he just said "I really didn't care about entry price, I knew the principle at stake was important, so I picked my spot". I kind of think he has said something in that direction before.


He has. He has said he overpaid. He is addicted to social media attention, he wanted to own it and bought it (with a little push).
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:11 am to
The latest on X's valuation:

quote:

X, the company formerly known as Twitter, handed out stock grants to employees on Monday that showed it was worth about $19 billion, down about 55 percent from the $44 billion that Elon Musk paid to buy the firm a year ago, according to internal documents seen by The New York Times.


LINK
Posted by tigersmanager
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:32 am to
wrong again
Posted by Weagle25
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 10/31/23 at 11:04 am to
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wrong again

The nuts on both sides of this are so crazy, I don’t even know what you’re saying is wrong or what side you’re on.

So many directions the follow up could go
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 11:27 am to
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wrong again
He's wrong quoting a news article in direct support of his correct point?
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