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When to pull the trigger on new home build
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:54 am
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:54 am
Background:
My wife and I will soon be moving on to property that we own (valued around $120k) outright and living in a small shop house (less than 1000sq ft). We have plans for a house that we want to build that costs roughly $450k. We want to save some money before building the house but my wife doesn’t want to stay in such a small space because we want to expand our family. (Only one kid now).
Our yearly income is around $200k and we will have about $50k in savings when we move to the property. (Not counting retirement accounts) We are both in our 20s and we both expect our salary’s to rise a good bit in the next few years.
What’s the most you would jump into on a mortgage with what we make now? This is what we plan to be our lifetime home but I also don’t want a huge mortgage over my head for years to come.
My wife and I will soon be moving on to property that we own (valued around $120k) outright and living in a small shop house (less than 1000sq ft). We have plans for a house that we want to build that costs roughly $450k. We want to save some money before building the house but my wife doesn’t want to stay in such a small space because we want to expand our family. (Only one kid now).
Our yearly income is around $200k and we will have about $50k in savings when we move to the property. (Not counting retirement accounts) We are both in our 20s and we both expect our salary’s to rise a good bit in the next few years.
What’s the most you would jump into on a mortgage with what we make now? This is what we plan to be our lifetime home but I also don’t want a huge mortgage over my head for years to come.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:08 am to tigerclaw10
You can't afford it at your current income level/interest rates (assuming your 200k is gross and not net). Save up.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 11:13 am
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:12 am to TheOcean
Are people really building homes in this current economic climate and interest rates?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:13 am to Paul Allen
Better question would be why the hell are you building your first ever home. Holy shite what a nightmare of a process. I will never build another home again
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:21 am to TheOcean
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what a nightmare of a process
Sounds miserable.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:12 pm to TheOcean
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Better question would be why the hell are you building your first ever home. Holy shite what a nightmare of a process. I will never build another home again
I can’t find anything I want so I’m looking to build again for the 4th time.
OP I’d save more money if I were you. I’m hesitant to build with the cost and interest rates at this time.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:30 pm to Paul Allen
Won’t be building for at least 2 years. We plan to save about $5000 a month towards a new house each month we are in the shop home
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:48 pm to tigerclaw10
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Won’t be building for at least 2 years. We plan to save about $5000 a month towards a new house each month we are in the shop home
Well with this information added, in 2 years you'll have 170k cash on hand with likely more reasonable interest rates, on top of likely making more money.
I fail to see the issue with building a home in 2 years after saving 5k a month until then and living in the shack. Even if high rates stick around that long you're still in a pretty comfortable spot.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 12:59 pm to tigerclaw10
My wife and I built our first house on some property we owned. I will tell you that it wasn’t easy and wouldn’t do it again. We were in our late 20’s and like you had one child. But, in your 20’s you still have plenty of energy.
Are you paying rent where you are currently living? If so, that will free up some cash when you move into the small shop house already on the property. Another advantage is that the small shop house is on the property you will be building on. This will help you keep updated on the construction process and progress once started. If you plan on doing any of the work yourself, you won’t have far to travel to or return home from the site. My wife and I did a lot of the work ourselves: electric (I had worked for an electrician so with his permission and oversight we used his license), painting and staining, wallpaper, HVAC (a good friend owned a small company, and I assisted him) and of course cleanup and disposal. Finding a couple of hours to work here and there was made harder by driving distance so living on site is advantageous.
My advice would be to plan to stay in the “small shop house” and save up as much as you can. Get your plans drawn up by an architect. Speak with banks about using your land value to secure a construction loan. Find a General Contractor because you won’t be able to get financing without one. Check with relatives and friends to get names of electricians, plumbers, HVAC, carpenters, roofers, etc. The General Contractor should be able to help with this (be prepared because he may insist on using his subs). Once construction is started one of the biggest pains in the butt is coordinating subs that depend on other subs before they can start or complete a project. The same applies to inspections.
Interest rates, who knows? Our first interest rate was 8 3/4 % but they had been higher and were coming down. It wasn’t too long before we could refinance at a lower rate.
Good luck and let us know how it works out.
Are you paying rent where you are currently living? If so, that will free up some cash when you move into the small shop house already on the property. Another advantage is that the small shop house is on the property you will be building on. This will help you keep updated on the construction process and progress once started. If you plan on doing any of the work yourself, you won’t have far to travel to or return home from the site. My wife and I did a lot of the work ourselves: electric (I had worked for an electrician so with his permission and oversight we used his license), painting and staining, wallpaper, HVAC (a good friend owned a small company, and I assisted him) and of course cleanup and disposal. Finding a couple of hours to work here and there was made harder by driving distance so living on site is advantageous.
My advice would be to plan to stay in the “small shop house” and save up as much as you can. Get your plans drawn up by an architect. Speak with banks about using your land value to secure a construction loan. Find a General Contractor because you won’t be able to get financing without one. Check with relatives and friends to get names of electricians, plumbers, HVAC, carpenters, roofers, etc. The General Contractor should be able to help with this (be prepared because he may insist on using his subs). Once construction is started one of the biggest pains in the butt is coordinating subs that depend on other subs before they can start or complete a project. The same applies to inspections.
Interest rates, who knows? Our first interest rate was 8 3/4 % but they had been higher and were coming down. It wasn’t too long before we could refinance at a lower rate.
Good luck and let us know how it works out.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:01 pm to tigerclaw10
quote:I think you have a good plan.
Won’t be building for at least 2 years. We plan to save about $5000 a month towards a new house each month we are in the shop home
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:25 pm to tigerclaw10
If you're going to build a house at the same time you're having more babies, I sure hope you have a strong marriage... 

Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:43 pm to Paul Allen
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Are people really building homes in this current economic climate and interest rates?
We were riding around yesterday and ended up in a brand new neighborhood in North East DFW - there were 10-12 homes in different stages of being built.
Average costs probably 600K up
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:12 pm to tigerclaw10
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This is what we plan to be our lifetime home
Wait as long as possible. All else being equal, more time equals more thought into the design of your house and more money available to make that happen. Save up, research designs/features, make note of what you like/dislike in other peoples' houses.
Just be patient, you will be much happier in the end.
Edit: Just saw your other post. Seems like a solid plan. One word of advice is not to let that money just sit in a checking/savings account. Make it work for you at least in a CD or other safe investment.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:53 pm to tigerclaw10
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When to pull the trigger

Posted on 7/16/24 at 6:26 pm to tigerclaw10
Use those 2 years you're saving to plan the build, architect design, and add at least 1k more space than you think you need if having another kid.
Once you have a savings cushion, 200k income with a 450k build isn't crazy imo.
Once you have a savings cushion, 200k income with a 450k build isn't crazy imo.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 6:49 pm to tigerclaw10
Less than 1000 sq ft is small for two years. You could add a 200-400 sq ft prefab shipping container home to that and it would make a big difference in livability for less than $20,000.
I’d also look at home plans that are expandable. Maybe you could get away with building a $250,000 smaller home in a year if rates drop that you could expand to what you want later.
I’ll second that acting as my own GC to completely gut and renovate my current home bought as a foreclosure was one of the worst experiences of my life. My wife was constantly expanding the budget and dealing with inspectors and subcontractors was a hassle.
I’d also look at home plans that are expandable. Maybe you could get away with building a $250,000 smaller home in a year if rates drop that you could expand to what you want later.
I’ll second that acting as my own GC to completely gut and renovate my current home bought as a foreclosure was one of the worst experiences of my life. My wife was constantly expanding the budget and dealing with inspectors and subcontractors was a hassle.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:25 pm to tigerclaw10
Interest rates may or may not come down. The price of homes are very likely not coming down at all. Why wait???
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:04 pm to tigerclaw10
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We have plans for a house that we want to build that costs roughly $450k.
Roughly 450K is actually $600K - at a minimum.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:28 pm to lsu711
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Roughly 450K is actually $600K - at a minimum.
Yeah, I was thinking the same. Everyone underestimates cost. Depends on location and square footage, but a decent size comfortable custom home for a couple with multiple kids will cost more than $450 these days.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 4:45 am to tigerclaw10
Interesting topic. Was coming here to see what the MT was thinking the economy will be doing in 2 years.
I still haven't bought the land I mentioned previously, but they called me back and I'm thinking about it again. My issue is I would need to liquidate some brokerage/IRA funds and deal with the taxes to do it. If I felt the economy would improve in 2 years I wouldn't think much about it....
I still haven't bought the land I mentioned previously, but they called me back and I'm thinking about it again. My issue is I would need to liquidate some brokerage/IRA funds and deal with the taxes to do it. If I felt the economy would improve in 2 years I wouldn't think much about it....
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