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What's your thoughts on going all cash just before the midterm elections?
Posted on 8/28/18 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 4:11 pm
I've been 100% invested for some time now and have done very well. Depending on what the midterm election polls/predictions show, I am considering going to all cash just before the election takes place. I believe that if the dems do win the house and/or senate the market may go down considerably. If the dems lose I can jump right back in since I am in ETF's. Down side would be I would be hit with capital gains for this year. Any thoughts?
Posted on 8/28/18 at 4:25 pm to Mikey P
Not a terrible idea, but just remember, the same polls you are talking about all predicted Hillary to win in a landslide. If you sell out then the market goes up similarly to after Trump was elected, you will have lost out.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 4:31 pm to rowbear1922
My thoughts are I would rather lose out on a 5% gain than take a 5% loss.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 4:39 pm to Mikey P
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My thoughts are I would rather lose out on a 5% gain than take a 5% loss.
If you go from all invested to all cash you are guaranteeing yourself a loss due to taxes.
I'm not a full time investor, but major swings like 100% invested to 0% invested is a REALLY bad idea. Why would you not just go like 20% cash?
Posted on 8/28/18 at 4:47 pm to Mikey P
I have not keep a accurate record, but I believe for the last 10 years every time someone suggested doing this they were wrong, and would have lost money had they followed through.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 4:55 pm to Mikey P
If you're wanting to protect your portfolio from an event, you should be looking into options (puts, specifically) as insurance, in my opinion. If you aren't familiar with options, you should learn about them first (and you have plenty of time to do so before the event).
Using right now as an example, SPY $290 puts with an expiration of January 18, 2019, are at $870 a contract. Since $870 is max loss per $29,000 of SPY shares, your max loss is 3%, excluding fees. Things will change as the market moves onward, of course.
Using right now as an example, SPY $290 puts with an expiration of January 18, 2019, are at $870 a contract. Since $870 is max loss per $29,000 of SPY shares, your max loss is 3%, excluding fees. Things will change as the market moves onward, of course.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 5:01 pm to rowbear1922
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If you sell out then the market goes up similarly to after Trump was elected, you will have lost out.
I didn't sell out, but did move to move conservative positions which under-performed....
Posted on 8/28/18 at 5:03 pm to EA6B
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I have not keep a accurate record, but I believe for the last 10 years every time someone suggested doing this they were wrong, and would have lost money had they followed through.
That would make sense, since the current bull market (using S&P 500 as benchmark) is on a run of 9 1/2 years. Through Democratic and Republican majorities in Congress and a Democratic and Republican President. Even if (worst or best case, given your allegiance) the House flips Democratic, there is no reasonable explanation for that event to initiate an end to the bull market.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 5:36 pm to Mikey P
Something like if you missed the top 20 days in the last 20 years you actually lost money. Don’t quote me on that.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 5:37 pm to Mikey P
quote:Not wise
100% invested
quote:Not wise
going to all cash
quote:You've been a bit lucky.
Any thoughts?
Posted on 8/28/18 at 6:06 pm to SurfOrYak
I read an article recently that suggested that a split Congress would be good for markets. Gridlock would ensue, major disruptive policy changes would be unlikely and any bipartisan deals would likely involve more spending/market stimulus.
LINK
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This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 8/28/18 at 6:34 pm to Mikey P
I’m not doing shite different for the election. Buying.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:24 pm to Mikey P
Considering you’d have at least 15% tax, you’d have to have the markets drop more than 15% in this scenario for you to look st breaking even.
I had a client that had this idea back when the DOW was at 16k. He’s still sitting in cash..
I had a client that had this idea back when the DOW was at 16k. He’s still sitting in cash..
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:25 pm to Mikey P
I can tell you that playing politics with your money is an awful idea.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:28 pm to Mikey P
I sold all my stock before 2016 thinking Trump would win , the market would crash and I could buy more stock a week later. I was heavy into CSX about $32 a share and I had hundreds. It’s about $69 now and went up so quick I never got back in.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:29 pm to Mikey P
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My thoughts are I would rather lose out on a 5% gain than take a 5% loss.
This is a perfect example of why many retail investors severely underperform.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:32 pm to MsState of mind
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sold all my stock before 2016 thinking Trump would win , the market would crash and I could buy more stock a week later. I was heavy into CSX about $32 a share and I had hundreds. It’s about $69 now and went up so quick I never got back in.
Lots of stories like this. People don't have a plan. If you're selling something you want to own, it takes tremendous discipline to get back in.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:35 pm to Shepherd88
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Considering you’d have at least 15% tax, you’d have to have the markets drop more than 15% in this scenario for you to look st breaking even.
Could be in a 401K, many offer a money market account as a investment option which could be used to park money with no tax liability since it was not withdrawn from the 401K..
Posted on 8/28/18 at 8:36 pm to slackster
Market timing is a tough task.
Posted on 8/28/18 at 9:30 pm to ItzMe1972
Exiting the market should be for a pretty considerable length of time if that’s the strategy you are pursuing. Recognizing cap gains and then getting back in would be a terrible decision.
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