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Posted on 12/20/18 at 3:58 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Short S&P ETFs
SH has no leverage and will track the S&P inversely almost tick for tick
SDS is levered and will decay if you hold too long but will give you 2X the inverse of S&P 500
SH has no leverage and will track the S&P inversely almost tick for tick
SDS is levered and will decay if you hold too long but will give you 2X the inverse of S&P 500
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 12/20/18 at 4:30 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
ETF's that provide the inverse of the daily return of the S&P 500. So if the S&P 500 is up 1% on the day, SH should be down 1%. If the S&P 500 is down 2% on the day, SH should be up 2%. SDS is 2x leveraged, meaning it provides double the inverse returns.
I consider them to be better alternatives to shorting partly because their fees are less than borrowing costs for shorting and partly because of compounding. If the S&P fell by 5% two days in a row, the S&P would actually be down 9.75% (.95*.95=.9025-1) at the end of those two days. SH, meanwhile, would be up approximately 10.25% (1.05*1.05=1.1025-1). SDS would be up approximately 21% (1.1*1.1=1.21-1). That sounds great with SDS, but decay can mess up those results. Decay is when a leveraged position loses performance due to the leverage and choppy movements by the underlying. For example, if the S&P 500 went down 5% one day and up 5% the next, it would be down 0.25% (.95*1.05=.9975-1). SDS would be down 1% (1.1*.90=.99-1).
I consider them to be better alternatives to shorting partly because their fees are less than borrowing costs for shorting and partly because of compounding. If the S&P fell by 5% two days in a row, the S&P would actually be down 9.75% (.95*.95=.9025-1) at the end of those two days. SH, meanwhile, would be up approximately 10.25% (1.05*1.05=1.1025-1). SDS would be up approximately 21% (1.1*1.1=1.21-1). That sounds great with SDS, but decay can mess up those results. Decay is when a leveraged position loses performance due to the leverage and choppy movements by the underlying. For example, if the S&P 500 went down 5% one day and up 5% the next, it would be down 0.25% (.95*1.05=.9975-1). SDS would be down 1% (1.1*.90=.99-1).
Posted on 12/20/18 at 4:56 pm to Hussss
dam 1300 S&P in a year better start being nice to our future dem/communist overlords. I was just thinking in the short term a drop down to 22,000 real soon and spike back to 24,000
Posted on 12/20/18 at 5:30 pm to Hussss
quote:
Hussss
Please go away
Posted on 12/20/18 at 5:37 pm to Omada
Nice to know SH doesn't really have decay. Thanks
Posted on 12/20/18 at 5:58 pm to bayoubengals88
I’ve bought puts in TSM, MS, SPY, IWM, DRI AND CALLS IN TWTR which got spanked today
Let me rephrase, I have puts in above ^
Let me rephrase, I have puts in above ^
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 12/20/18 at 6:28 pm to Shankopotomus
quote:
My question is whether it is so severe they will PURPOSELY (in various ways including The Fed) allow the market/economy to straight up TANK simply in order to ensure he does not get a second term and the traditional left/swamp returns to power in 2020
Yes. Absolutely.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 6:30 pm to LSUtoOmaha
quote:
Nice to know SH doesn't really have decay. Thanks
Yeah, it doesn't have decay because of lack of leverage. It just does the inverse. Here's a comparison between the S&P 500, SH, SDS, and SSO (2x long S&P leveraged ETF). The S&P and SH just do the opposite, but SDS and SSO lose value because of decay's two main factors: choppy movements and leverage.
EDIT: I didn't realize until too late that several columns are redundant. Whoops!
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:22 pm to Omada
So that post was about decay, which requires leverage and choppy underlying. No leverage, and the ETF/ETN will match the underlying or inverse it. But what if the underlying trends instead of chops? Here's what happens:
As you can see, SH and S&P still did the opposite of each other because there is no decay, just an inverse relationship. But SSO and SDS either crash and burn or produce returns more than 2x the S&P's even though they provide 2x the daily returns.
Many people wonder why they can't just short a leveraged ETF and its inverse and profit through decay. This, along with borrowing costs, is why.
As you can see, SH and S&P still did the opposite of each other because there is no decay, just an inverse relationship. But SSO and SDS either crash and burn or produce returns more than 2x the S&P's even though they provide 2x the daily returns.
Many people wonder why they can't just short a leveraged ETF and its inverse and profit through decay. This, along with borrowing costs, is why.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 11:16 am to LSUtoOmaha
Conagra (CAG) getting murdered. Down nearly 25% in two days
Posted on 12/21/18 at 1:09 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:Yep. Conagra's acquisition of Pinnacle Foods in October has not gone well. They missed their earnings target bigly when they reported their quarterly results.
Conagra (CAG) getting murdered. Down nearly 25% in two days
Posted on 12/21/18 at 3:31 pm to LSURussian
Added CAG to the watch list. Read some damning articles about the CEO of the company they just acquired.
Posted on 12/21/18 at 3:55 pm to bayoubengals88
10k shares of AKRX and 1k shares of FCX today
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 6:46 pm to Hussss
quote:I don’t know anything about these companies, but you’re the arguing that the S&P 500 is heading towards 1,300 and you just bought $45,000 of stock that was worth $341,000 a year ago, with no dividend to at least lessen the losses?
10k shares of AKRX and 1k shares of FCX today
Edit: I incorrectly said he bought $35,000 in stock and it was actually $45,000 ($44,550 at current price).
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 12/21/18 at 7:07 pm to Janky
Freeport-McMoRan Inc (FCX:NYSE)
Posted on 12/21/18 at 7:11 pm to LSURussian
Yes, I know what FCX is but why buy that gawbage? Is this the time it finally goes up?
This post was edited on 12/21/18 at 7:13 pm
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