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Talk me out of a 7 Year - Adjustable Rate Mortgage loan

Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:27 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41584 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:27 pm
was looking to refinance since I originally only put 3.5% down and comps in the area have been ridiculous lately. Been in the house almost 6 years and plan to sell probably within 5 or so once another kid comes along.

I was quoted a 7 year ARM at 3.375 (currently 30 year loan at 4.25). This would cut my note $237 (giving me $20000 in equity through the loan duration.)

i have no problem with my monthly note and id probably keep it the same but financially the 30 year im in now doesnt seem like the best option.

I know ARMs pretty much crippled the housing market but I dont see any scenario where Im not upgrading to a larger house in the next 7 years.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted by yellowhammer2098
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2013
3850 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:29 pm to
What are the annual and life caps on changes in the interest rate? Interest rates will inevitably go up, although it may not be by much, it is something you should consider with an ARM.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:31 pm to
Have you considered a 15 year fixed rate mortgage? Those are under 3% now and you don't have interest rate risk if rates go up.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 3:36 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41584 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

What are the annual and life caps on changes in the interest rate? I


5% but i plan on selling the home before the 8th year hits and those go into play
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:33 pm to
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i plan on selling the home before the 8th year hits
Plans can change very unexpectedly. As Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until he gets punched in the mouth."
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 3:37 pm
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7220 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:56 pm to
15 year rate this week was 2.75 fixed, that's crazy to not take advantage of if you can afford it.
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41584 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:04 pm to
he looked at a 20 year and it was 3.75% so not sure if 15 would get me under 3
Posted by Maderan
Member since Feb 2005
807 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:08 pm to
Don't be afraid of the ARM just because of its bad reputation.

We really benefited by using an ARM for our first house that we knew we were going to be out of in 5 years. We looked at what a 30 year fixed loan payment and amortization schedule would have been. Then we looked at ARMs but paying extra (ie keeping the same payment as the 30 year fixed would have been).

Due to the front loading of interest payments on a 30 year mortgage we wound up building way more equity in the house by taking out a 5 yr interest only ARM but making extra payments equal to fixed loan cost.

You have to commit to making up the difference in extra payments to really make it worth it.
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7220 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:13 pm to
quote:

he looked at a 20 year and it was 3.75% so not sure if 15 would get me under 3


Call standard mortgage, that's who sent me the email about it being 2.75%. I think it was 2.9 APR maybe. I deleted the email b/c I just refinanced though.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:26 pm to
quote:

he looked at a 20 year and it was 3.75% so not sure if 15 would get me under 3



Try another lender. I was able to get them down about a year ago to 3.65% on a 30 year product just by putting them in a bidding war.
Posted by Toula
504
Member since Dec 2006
35399 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:48 pm to
Did a 7 yr ARM over a year ago b/c I knew i was planning to sell in next 2-3 years.

Went through Quicken Loans and only came out of pocket for the appraisal. Seamless process.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11806 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:56 pm to
quote:

5% but i plan on selling the home before the 8th year hits and those go into play


not to say anything will happen in that time frame, but life changes happen and market changes happen as well.

If the market takes a dip in your area, and you cant sell the house for what you want you can be stuck in the house longer then anticipated.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50344 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 7:06 pm to
I did a 7ARM a year ago. Needed to refi to get my equity over 20% to ditch PMI.

Same boat, I know with a great deal of certainty that we won't be in this house 6 years from now. Yea things change, but at least for me, even if i had to take on adjustable rates for a year or two, it wouldn't be a big deal.

ARM's didn't sink the market btw, lending to people who had no business buying the home they did sank it. Giving them these types of loans was the only way they could afford the house. My mortgage payment is like 7% of my take home income right now, not worried about interest rates.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 7:07 pm
Posted by 22jctiger22
Member since Apr 2013
368 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:07 pm to
quote:

Talk me out of a 7 Year - Adjustable Rate Mortgage loan by LSU1018
quote:
he looked at a 20 year and it was 3.75% so not sure if 15 would get me under 3


Call standard mortgage, that's who sent me the email about it being 2.75%. I think it was 2.9 APR maybe. I deleted the email b/c I just refinanced though.




This. Assuming the closing costs are reasonable and make sense considering when you actually plan on selling.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28117 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

Plans can change very unexpectedly. As Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until he gets punched in the mouth."



Such a great quote. I feel that Patton could have very easily said it, and it applies to many different aspects of life. And even though it was said by a notoriously financially illiterate moron, it's cited in a discussion on pros and cons of different types of mortgages.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:57 pm to
Don't quote me on this because I'm not 100% sure but I think I did an interest only arm in 2006 banking on saving the extra money on the monthly note and selling the house with a profit before the higher rate hit. Unfortunately the market crashed in 2008 and my house went from $15k equity to negative $50k real fast. That's the one thing I would worry about is losing all the equity you have built up in your house. Losing that equity may make you have to live in the house longer than you expect with a way higher percentage.
Posted by Larry Gooseman
Houston
Member since Mar 2014
2655 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 6:42 am to
Damn to the 2.75, we did 15 year last summer and got 3.5 IIRC.

I know a lot of people say do 30 year and pay extra towards principle - we aren't that disciplined.

It is insane watching the principal balance on the 15 year versus the 30 year. Day 1 of 15 year each payment has close to 45% going to equity. If you lived in a state that didn't have TX level property taxes, I imagine even more.

I priced it out assuming we'd be in the house for another 5 years from refi, payment was only going to be an extra 300-400/mo and we will have 50-75k more in equity.
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
1241 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 9:38 am to
quote:

he looked at a 20 year and it was 3.75% so not sure if 15 would get me under 3


Our 20 yr yesterday was 3.5% and 15 yr was still above 3 at 3.125%. If I were you I'd go with the 20yr. You still get the kind of equity from the house you want, and you are protected if the housing market turns upside down
Posted by jb4
Member since Apr 2013
12656 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:04 am to
watch the movie 99 homes
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
1241 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 10:06 am to
Wow, money keeps going away from the stock market and these rates keep flowing down. New 20 yr. is 3.375% and 15 is down to 3% btw
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