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Revocable Living Trust
Posted on 1/24/24 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 1/24/24 at 5:31 pm
So, learned that my in-laws’ will passes everything to my wife via a RLT. Seems like they tried to make sure yours truly gets Jack despite seemingly great relationship. Dick move or no?
Posted on 1/24/24 at 5:37 pm to FlowMaster
No, not a dick move. Plenty of parents do this kind of thing.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 5:53 pm to FlowMaster
Guilty. Are you my SIL?
I mean, I like you and all, but my money goes to my daughter, grandchildren, and their significant others (you) can indulge at my descendants’ discretion.
PS: I didn’t inherit a nickel from my parents since they had nothing at the end.
I mean, I like you and all, but my money goes to my daughter, grandchildren, and their significant others (you) can indulge at my descendants’ discretion.
PS: I didn’t inherit a nickel from my parents since they had nothing at the end.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:12 pm to FlowMaster
Does it become irrevocable after they die? Who’s the trustee?
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:41 pm to FlowMaster
Not sure I've ever seen parents leave their estate jointly to their kid and the kid's spouse. It goes to the kid and is considered their separate property. Why would her parents want to leave something to you in the event y'all get divorced?
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:24 pm to FlowMaster
You would not be entitled to inherit anything anyway.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:26 pm to FlowMaster
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Seems like they tried to make sure yours truly gets Jack despite seemingly great relationship. Dick move or no?
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:32 pm to FlowMaster
If they have any sizable assets it’s a prudent thing to do.
Are they in Louisiana? There is a very high chance they’ll frick up the trust by not actually funding it properly and still having to go through the probate process nonetheless.
A properly funded and functioning trust is a fricking unicorn in this state.
Are they in Louisiana? There is a very high chance they’ll frick up the trust by not actually funding it properly and still having to go through the probate process nonetheless.
A properly funded and functioning trust is a fricking unicorn in this state.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:35 pm to geauxpurple
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You would not be entitled to inherit anything anyway.
Not originally, but separate property in LA can quickly get unintentionally commingled and become community property.
If you inherited Exxon stock from your dad 20 years ago, reinvesting dividends, and you’ve been married the whole time, a good divorce attorney will go after that money as the dividends have been taxed as community property funds for the entire time.
If you inherit separate property you need to get a written agreement that keeps that property separate or else you’re potentially fricked.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:24 pm to slackster
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Are they in Louisiana? There is a very high chance they’ll frick up the trust by not actually funding it properly
Can you expound on this? Are there ongoing costs associated with a revocable living trust?
I asked a good attorney buddy of mine about setting up a will and he offered to set up a revocable living trust for me and cover the cost of that.
I don’t know that I need anything more than a standard will, but he offered so I am taking him up on it. What kind of funding pitfalls do I need to avoid?
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:31 pm to PhiTiger1764
A revocable living trust that is designed to avoid probate doesn’t actually do you any good if you don’t put all of your assets into the trust. House, accounts, etc.
There can be as little as zero ongoing costs.
The problem is that people pay to set them up, don’t properly fund them, and then their kids have to for pay for probate anyway.
There can be as little as zero ongoing costs.
The problem is that people pay to set them up, don’t properly fund them, and then their kids have to for pay for probate anyway.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:36 pm to slackster
A probate is not that expensive. If you don’t run into inheritance tax, it’s likely not worth it to setup a trust. I see tons of people pay a lot of money to setup trusts that aren’t needed for their situation.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:42 pm to FlowMaster
Why do you think you’re entitled to the fruits of their labor?
In the event something happens and yall divorce, you’d 100% chase after that money. Parents smartly kept it away from you.
In the event something happens and yall divorce, you’d 100% chase after that money. Parents smartly kept it away from you.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:48 pm to LSU1018
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A probate is not that expensive. If you don’t run into inheritance tax, it’s likely not worth it to setup a trust. I see tons of people pay a lot of money to setup trusts that aren’t needed for their situation.
I feel the same way. In Louisiana, there's no inheritance tax, and federal only kicks in at like 12+ million last I checked.
If it's an average sized estate and the heir situation isn't a total shite show, then probate isn't that big a deal and can be done in a few weeks.
I also like the stepped up cost basis heirs can enjoy on inherited assets to avoid capital gains taxes. I'm not positive it's as easy to avoid capital gains in a trust - maybe there's a way - but I'm sure it's easy for the average joe to screw it up.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:58 pm to LSU1018
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A probate is not that expensive. If you don’t run into inheritance tax, it’s likely not worth it to setup a trust. I see tons of people pay a lot of money to setup trusts that aren’t needed for their situation.
Define not that expensive? For most of my clients they’re often a few thousand dollars up to $18k, but that’s the most expensive one I’ve ever seen and I’m pretty positive she was fricked over in that deal.
Agreed on people wasting money on trusts though. The trust itself is not necessarily a waste, but it’s rarely used properly and quickly becomes a waste of money as a result.
As to the question about stepped up basis, it works the same way in a revocable living trust. No issues there.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:58 pm to FlowMaster
That's how I've got mine set up and my kids aren't dating anyone. It's not personal. Half of marriages end up in divorces, and I'll be damned if any of my hard-earned cash is going to someone outside of the family.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:00 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
There are a few issues with Probate:
(1) your heirs won't get control of the assets for months. If they are short on cash and need to sell the home quickly - that can be an issue in some families. You will have to wait for the creditor notice period to lapse before the Judge will release any available funds to the heirs.
(2) Depending on your jurisdiction, probate may not cost a lot more than a Trust BUT you could have several court hearings to attend, especially if there is real estate and several assets. Some personal representatives may not want that hassle.
(3) In my experience, Trusts are less common to have disputes amongst siblings later on - your mileage may vary but that I generally see more disputes with Wills, for several reasons.
Also, back to the OP, that is common. Depending on age and other factors, there is always a chance you would remarry and leave assets to your new step kids. That's a topic I often bring up during consultations.
edited to add: I also agree with the posters above that mentioned Trusts are OFTEN not funded or not fully funded which confuses me.
(1) your heirs won't get control of the assets for months. If they are short on cash and need to sell the home quickly - that can be an issue in some families. You will have to wait for the creditor notice period to lapse before the Judge will release any available funds to the heirs.
(2) Depending on your jurisdiction, probate may not cost a lot more than a Trust BUT you could have several court hearings to attend, especially if there is real estate and several assets. Some personal representatives may not want that hassle.
(3) In my experience, Trusts are less common to have disputes amongst siblings later on - your mileage may vary but that I generally see more disputes with Wills, for several reasons.
Also, back to the OP, that is common. Depending on age and other factors, there is always a chance you would remarry and leave assets to your new step kids. That's a topic I often bring up during consultations.
edited to add: I also agree with the posters above that mentioned Trusts are OFTEN not funded or not fully funded which confuses me.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:00 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
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If it's an average sized estate and the heir situation isn't a total shite show, then probate isn't that big a deal and can be done in a few weeks.
I haven’t seen a probate finalized in less than 3 months in my entire career.
It can be done sooner, but it rarely happens in practice.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:05 pm to slackster
We have a "Small Estate" option in my State but even then it takes 45 days. It has limitations, mainly no real estate, and under $30k in assets.
A typical probate, I shoot for 9 months but that doesn't always happen depending on size obviously.
A typical probate, I shoot for 9 months but that doesn't always happen depending on size obviously.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:10 am to Neauxla_Tiger
I think what's not being stated here is that a good estate planner will already have in place what happens when people become incapacitated. It avoids having to go to court to establish a guardianship, which is an expense and a possible shitshow made public. Know any periodically-rational entering-dementia senior citizens who are hard-headed and would raise hell in court about you wanting to put them in a nursing home “to rot?” This already States the criteria for declaration of incapacity, who takes over, and what powers they have.
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