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Poor, middle-aged and want to start saving for retirement
Posted on 1/30/20 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 1/30/20 at 3:50 pm
I’m late 30s, self-employed in the arts and make ~40k/year. I’m getting a late start and probably won’t have much to stash away but maybe there’s something I could do. IRA? Roth? Just stocks and mutual funds? Any advice from the guys and gals who actually know about this stuff?
Posted on 1/30/20 at 3:57 pm to Celery
Not a financial advisor but my list is typically,
-3 months savings
-Match up to Company max in 401k if they have that benefit.(If you were not self employed)
-HSA
-max contribute Roth IRA
-Max contribute 401k// your case individual IRA
-up to 6 months savings
- Brokerage account(Stocks, Mutual Funds, Bonds)
-3 months savings
-Match up to Company max in 401k if they have that benefit.(If you were not self employed)
-HSA
-max contribute Roth IRA
-Max contribute 401k// your case individual IRA
-up to 6 months savings
- Brokerage account(Stocks, Mutual Funds, Bonds)
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 1/30/20 at 4:11 pm to Celery
Open a roth IRA (Fidelity or Vanguard) then get one of their low fee mutual funds that indexes the S&P 500.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 7:23 pm to Celery
Build up your emergency fund first (3-6 months of expenses). After you have that, then do a Roth IRA. Technically the HSA (if available) has more tax advantages but it also has more limitations (used for health care expenses). Since you are just starting to save, I would strongly recommend the Roth IRA since your contributions can be withdrawn without penalty. Since your overall portfolio will just be starting out it provides the flexibility if you ever really needed the funds you contributed. Once you build up your accounts then you could start diversifying your tax liabilities by contributing to an HSA or other pre-tax/deductible account.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 7:31 pm to Celery
Work on your spending habits and needs first. Such as a modest car, bringing lunches to work, reduced eating out, etc
Posted on 1/30/20 at 7:35 pm to Celery
OK, I’m going to give diverging advice from the previous two. Assuming that you don’t have a match from any employer (as you said you are self employed), are not eligible for health savings account (the HSA) because you’re not in a high deductible health plan, and you need to start somewhere:
—since you’re self employed, you can self fund a “solo k” plan....essentially a 401k plan for the self employed. This will allow you to sock away a greater percentage of your income on a pretax basis....so yay, retirement savings plus a reduced tax burden.
—if you truly have minimal funds available to save, then the higher limits of the soloK aren’t much of an advantage, and you might be better served by a SEP (simplified employee pension IRA), which is also funded pre-tax.
—the Roth IRA mentioned by others is popular because of its flexibility (you can withdraw contributions but not earnings before retirement age without penalty) and that eventual retirement age withdrawals are income tax free. But you find a Roth IRA out of post-tax dollars....and you are better off saving for retirement through a vehicle that reduces your present tax burden.
Look, any amount saved is better than nothing. Commit to sticking even $100/mo and it will build over time. Get used to paying yourself first....make it a non negotiable part of your budget.
—since you’re self employed, you can self fund a “solo k” plan....essentially a 401k plan for the self employed. This will allow you to sock away a greater percentage of your income on a pretax basis....so yay, retirement savings plus a reduced tax burden.
—if you truly have minimal funds available to save, then the higher limits of the soloK aren’t much of an advantage, and you might be better served by a SEP (simplified employee pension IRA), which is also funded pre-tax.
—the Roth IRA mentioned by others is popular because of its flexibility (you can withdraw contributions but not earnings before retirement age without penalty) and that eventual retirement age withdrawals are income tax free. But you find a Roth IRA out of post-tax dollars....and you are better off saving for retirement through a vehicle that reduces your present tax burden.
Look, any amount saved is better than nothing. Commit to sticking even $100/mo and it will build over time. Get used to paying yourself first....make it a non negotiable part of your budget.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 7:37 pm to bod312
Thanks guys. I wasn’t sure if the Roth IRA was the preferred way for someone starting so late. I’ve done some cursory research, but finance speak can often seem like a foreign language.
And for more info, yes, I have some emergency savings, I live within my means and currently have no real debts beyond a mortgage. Hence, time to allocate extra cash somewhere else.
And for more info, yes, I have some emergency savings, I live within my means and currently have no real debts beyond a mortgage. Hence, time to allocate extra cash somewhere else.
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 1/30/20 at 7:42 pm to hungryone
The SEP and "solo k" are great as long as he feels he could "weather a storm" if it was needed. Since he is just starting out, it is likely that if he ran into an emergency he would not be able to cover it due to newly starting to divert some of his funds to retirement accounts. This is where the flexibility of the Roth really could help out. Once he has enough saved between emergency fund and the Roth that he could handle any reasonable emergency then I would recommend switching to the pre-tax accounts. It is also good to be tax diversified in your retirement accounts. There are pros and cons to either method but at least he is more informed to make the best decision for himself.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 7:54 pm to Celery
I agree with others, 3-6 months of expenses, then a Roth. Get any company match you might have at a minimum.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:04 pm to bod312
Would there be any advantages to splitting funds between both the Roth and Solo k? Or does compounding interest dictate that sticking to one is better?
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:04 pm to Celery
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:54 pm to Celery
The people who end up saving the most for retirement are the people who do it regularly. The most reliable means of doing this is forced scarcity in which you force yourself to save with automatic deductions/contributions from your paycheck or bank account. As your income rises saving a large part of the increase is the least painful method IMO.
In terms of the vehicle I would consider an IRA with Vanguard or Fidelity index (probably a fund pegged to the S&P 500). When you get more sophisticated and have more disposable income to invest you can decide about other investments but simple with low expense ratios are the first things.
To reach a goal of saving $6000 per year in your IRA consider doing a weekly contribution of $115.38. That will pretty much max you out for the year and spread out the pain of saving. If you can afford to save 6k as a Roth IRA then do that, but if routine expenses don't allow that much then do as much as you can afford as a traditional IRA. Keep in mind that at your income level doing the traditional will give you around a $720 federal deduction but if you are able to do a Roth that will pay in the long run.
In terms of the vehicle I would consider an IRA with Vanguard or Fidelity index (probably a fund pegged to the S&P 500). When you get more sophisticated and have more disposable income to invest you can decide about other investments but simple with low expense ratios are the first things.
To reach a goal of saving $6000 per year in your IRA consider doing a weekly contribution of $115.38. That will pretty much max you out for the year and spread out the pain of saving. If you can afford to save 6k as a Roth IRA then do that, but if routine expenses don't allow that much then do as much as you can afford as a traditional IRA. Keep in mind that at your income level doing the traditional will give you around a $720 federal deduction but if you are able to do a Roth that will pay in the long run.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 3:55 am to Celery
Biggest advice is start saving now. The earlier you start saving the better. A lot of people start saving way older than you and still retire at a normal time, but they have to work a lot harder at it
Posted on 1/31/20 at 7:43 am to Celery
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I wasn’t sure if the Roth IRA
It can be confusing. To make it as simple as possible, traditional contributions reduce your tax liability today, instantly, and Roth contributions reduce your tax liability during retirement (using post-tax dollars today).
For the vast majority of middle-class folks, Roth is the way to go. There are some situations, obviously, where high income salaried folks need that tax reduction now, but those are relatively rare.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 7:44 am to Upperdecker
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Biggest advice is start saving now. The earlier you start saving the better.
+1 - nothing can replace time in the market.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 7:48 am to hungryone
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But you find a Roth IRA out of post-tax dollars....and you are better off saving for retirement through a vehicle that reduces your present tax burden.
We should be careful not to miss the big picture - we're buying retirement dollars with today's dollars.
What's his effective tax rate now with income in the $40s? 6%? 8%? I think that's the perfect Roth candidate, although the limits are lower. The thing I would worried about with the Roth is that it is tempting to dip into, rather than missing out on the minimal tax savings now.
Of course, once the income gets up there, the effective tax rate goes up and that analysis does change some.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:44 am to Celery
COngrats on realizing it's time to start saving.. You may think you're way behind and yeah to some folks sure, but there is a BUNCH of people your age who arent saving or interested in doing it either.
I was bullish about getting into my 401k thinking... there's no way.. i NEED that 400 extra a month for expenses and things and my dad sat me down and said yeah it's a tough adjustment at first but after 3 years, I'm used to it now and budget accordingly...
got around $35,000 in the account now.
getting started is the hardest part
I was bullish about getting into my 401k thinking... there's no way.. i NEED that 400 extra a month for expenses and things and my dad sat me down and said yeah it's a tough adjustment at first but after 3 years, I'm used to it now and budget accordingly...
got around $35,000 in the account now.
getting started is the hardest part
This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 9:45 am
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:00 am to Celery
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but finance speak can often seem like a foreign language.
It's really pretty simple, people like to use fancy words but that's all irrelevant. A Roth will be taxed beforehand and something else that is deferred will be taxed upon withdrawal. Not to say there isn't more to it, just do some research on taxes (I should do the same if I'm wrong on my comment). Taxes is the most difficult for me, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Get an account, set up monthly contributions into a few different mutual funds or whatever you wanna do. You can make it easy and invest in target date funds with Vanguard or another company. Pick year you're gonna retire and and invest in that target date fund. Maybe diversify and also invest in an index fund.
If it's overwhelming then call the company you decide to use, Vanguard, TD Ameritrade,T. Rowe Price, etc and let them help you through the setup.
ETA: Read what Ace said
This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 10:01 am
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