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re: No 401K Investments
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:38 pm to kaaj24
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:38 pm to kaaj24
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However, I prefer the liquidity of stocks.
nothing wrong with that.
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Renting to tenants isn’t easy and it costs a lot for someone else to manage.
absolutely bad tenants can cost you a ton in maintenance and rent ready costs after eviction or lease ends. but you can get good property managers at a good price.
i have had good times and some bad times with rentals. however i bought for cash flow. but mine have appreciated so much now i may sell my whole portfolio as i am getting great offers.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:41 am to RoosterCogburn585
He has listened to too much Grant Cardone.
Guess he is worried about taxes and inflation.As I reach restatement age, my rental portfolio generates about 10% yearly return on its value. Each of the 8 properties have also increased in value as time goes on. Maybe I should have taken this lad’s advice 40 years ago
Guess he is worried about taxes and inflation.As I reach restatement age, my rental portfolio generates about 10% yearly return on its value. Each of the 8 properties have also increased in value as time goes on. Maybe I should have taken this lad’s advice 40 years ago
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 2:53 am
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:07 am to SulphursFinest
I’m halfway through the first loan, so around 7.5 years since first purchase. I’ve had all reappraised within the last year and they’re up around 30% in value and the loans have been paid down. Around 40% of the original loan has been paid down with a cash on cash return of around 30% annually.
I now max out 401k and backdoor Roth for me and my wife. I’m not saying the market is bad, but real estate can be exceptionally more fruitful.
I now max out 401k and backdoor Roth for me and my wife. I’m not saying the market is bad, but real estate can be exceptionally more fruitful.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:30 am to RoosterCogburn585
Very few of the millennials or Gen Z's at my company participate in the 401k or HSA investment plans. They would rather eat $30 lunches and $50 dinners several times a week while having an $800 car payment. I spoke to one of them who lives in his parents basement rent free and likely makes about $100k plus bonus and asked why he didn't at least contribute up to the 6% match? He told me that then he wouldn't have money for video games or all his streaming services
These kids are so fricked unless they are inheriting money from parents one day.
These kids are so fricked unless they are inheriting money from parents one day.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 7:47 am to nugget
I totally agree that big money can be made in real estate.....but can you guarantee a 100% return on your investment every year? Not saying going all in on the 401k, but at least get the free money being offered.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:19 am to nugget
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I bought 14 doors from 24-27 years old. Started with 40k in cash
Sometimes I wish I wasn’t born a millenial
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:25 am to RoosterCogburn585
I wouldn't disagree with his decision, because it's his decision.
Plus, income tax reduction/ elimination is higher return than the 7% match calculation. Unearned income is not FICA taxed. Opportunity cost is tremendous and someone else pays the investment deposit.
I don't knock anyone's positive moves. It's what their gift is.
Plus, income tax reduction/ elimination is higher return than the 7% match calculation. Unearned income is not FICA taxed. Opportunity cost is tremendous and someone else pays the investment deposit.
I don't knock anyone's positive moves. It's what their gift is.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:31 am to BestBanker
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Plus, income tax reduction/ elimination is higher return than the 7% match calculation. Unearned income is not FICA taxed. Opportunity cost is tremendous and someone else pays the investment deposit.
Could you explain this in a little more detail to me Banker? Im not sure I completely follow.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:32 am to RoosterCogburn585
well he's not smart for passing up that match
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:10 am to RoosterCogburn585
I would fire him for being too stupid to work there.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:42 am to RoosterCogburn585
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Could you explain this in a little more detail to me Banker? Im not sure I completely follow.
Sure.
Real estate depreciation 27.5 yrs lowers income taxation in the given year. Rents are unearned income so no FICA/FUDA (which is @15.2% on income). All expenses are income tax deductible: insurance, hoa, real estate tax. etc., which lowers income tax. Just a few areas.
So if dude has a W2 job, and some computation of qualified plan contribution is considered with combined 7% company match (that he cannot touch until 59.5 yrs old), he compares to having a real estate investment biz. He can lower his earned income tax using the investment deductions, thus realizing substantial return on saved tax payment. My $ .02 worth.
What some may be contesting is the comparitive smaller amount of 401k contribution with the even smaller match calculation to what it takes to purchase rental property? Depreciation alone my accomplish the matching contribution formula output.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:15 am to RoosterCogburn585
I used to work in leadership at a fairly well known for-profit healthcare organization. Their benefits package was pretty comprehensive, including allowing employees to purchase company stock at a deep discount as well as a matching 401(k).
Of the 200+ direct and indirect reports at the hospital I managed fewer than 25% were enrolled in either. Of those who were; I’d say most were in the higher earning roles which makes sense.
At least it sounds like they’re doing something; which, in my experience is better than most.
I’ll go ahead and predict a looming crisis of sorts in that Gen X is coming up on retirement over the next 15-20 years. Many if not most haven’t come anywhere close to achieving retirement goals. They won’t be able to retire and this will have a disruptive impact on the work force. That natural structural reopening of jobs due to attrition/retirement isn’t going to be there.
The only thing they have going for them is that they may be the benefactors of a generational wealth transfer from the Boomers. I still don’t think it will be enough.
Of the 200+ direct and indirect reports at the hospital I managed fewer than 25% were enrolled in either. Of those who were; I’d say most were in the higher earning roles which makes sense.
At least it sounds like they’re doing something; which, in my experience is better than most.
I’ll go ahead and predict a looming crisis of sorts in that Gen X is coming up on retirement over the next 15-20 years. Many if not most haven’t come anywhere close to achieving retirement goals. They won’t be able to retire and this will have a disruptive impact on the work force. That natural structural reopening of jobs due to attrition/retirement isn’t going to be there.
The only thing they have going for them is that they may be the benefactors of a generational wealth transfer from the Boomers. I still don’t think it will be enough.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:16 am to wiltznucs
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That natural structural reopening of jobs due to attrition/retirement isn’t going to be there.
Boomers have done the same thing to us (GenX) they simply won't bow out of the workforce. We've had to pay several Boomers at my company to go away at age 70. Its ridiculous.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 12:32 pm to ronricks
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Boomers have done the same thing to us (GenX) they simply won't bow out of the workforce. We've had to pay several Boomers at my company to go away at age 70. Its ridiculous.
Seeing that here too. I’m convinced that many Boomers and to a larger degree Gen X will continue to work until they are physically unable or dead.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 12:42 pm to wiltznucs
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Seeing that here too. I’m convinced that many Boomers and to a larger degree Gen X will continue to work until they are physically unable or dead.
All we were told for four years of college was "Baby Boomers will be retiring en masse and there will be a huge glut of jobs that need to be filled!"
Well, The Boomers just won't let go.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:57 am to RoosterCogburn585
Should be matching the 7% then use the rest to invest in rentals.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 6:58 am to ronricks
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Well, The Boomers just won't let go.
The boomers didn’t save for retirement even though you could’ve put 10 bucks in the s&p in 1980 and have a million now or bought a piece of property for 100 bucks and sold it for 10 million
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