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never sell your winners
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:17 am
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:17 am
once every couple of weeks I look back on my trade log and see where the stocks I’ve sold are trading now. Inevitably if I’ve sold a stock that I was up on (and if I chose to buy it for good reasons), I’ve left money on the table.
SHOP
NFLX
ZM
SQ
PTON
among others.
it’s frustrating but it illustrates a simple truth. Rather than selling a position to take another one, hold and add. I think my biggest mistake is treating my trading account like a bankroll, and keeping an eye on my “principal”.
it’s far better if you want to take a new position or add to one to add more funds to the account (assuming you have them) and use those new funds to do it. And yes, those funds can be used to short if you think a downturn is coming
agree/disagree?
SHOP
NFLX
ZM
SQ
PTON
among others.
it’s frustrating but it illustrates a simple truth. Rather than selling a position to take another one, hold and add. I think my biggest mistake is treating my trading account like a bankroll, and keeping an eye on my “principal”.
it’s far better if you want to take a new position or add to one to add more funds to the account (assuming you have them) and use those new funds to do it. And yes, those funds can be used to short if you think a downturn is coming
agree/disagree?
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:27 am to cgrand
Agree. Let winners run and cut your losses short is how you can have a 40-50% win rate and still make above average returns.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:39 am to cgrand
I’ve taken a similar approach here lately. I won’t buy something that I’m not willing to hold long term. When it comes that time of the month to invest in brokerage account I look and see which of my current investmentS is trading lowest compared to my cost basis (lower return holding) and invest it in that. Sometimes I’ll pick a new stock. Idk if that kind of investing has a name but it’s been my strategy. I did exactly what your talking about on Microsoft stock about a year ago and it’s up like 80/share from when I took my profits makes me sick
This post was edited on 5/16/20 at 11:41 am
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:42 am to tigersfan1989
I was in SHOP for 200 shares at 345...sold at 480 and thought I was gordon fricking gekko.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:49 am to tigersfan1989
quote:
When it comes that time of the month to invest in brokerage account I look and see which of my current investments is trading lowest compared to my cost basis (lower return holding) and invest it in that
You would probably do better investing in the companies trading the HIGHEST compared to your cost basis
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:53 am to cgrand
I don't have the time to monitor the markets enough to swing trade or day trade. I am kind of glad I don't because it would never stop.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:33 pm to cgrand
My biggest winner is easily AAPL. I invested a decent amount in it shortly after the stock split. I paid $74.95/share. I've been tempted to sell some a few times but haven't and glad I didn't. I only regret not adding more along the way.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:45 pm to fallguy_1978
Cgrand, I’m with you, I sold Netflix at 90 yrs ago, what a mistake.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:17 pm to cgrand
quote:how will you ever make use of your gains if you never sell
never sell
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:20 pm to cgrand
Been burned just like you said.
That’s why I’m holding SRNE through the weekend.
That’s why I’m holding SRNE through the weekend.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:22 pm to arcalades
I don’t need to make use of my gains right now.
what I need to do is build wealth
I am in the vegetative stage, not the flowering stage.
buy and hold is great but buying and hold is better
what I need to do is build wealth
I am in the vegetative stage, not the flowering stage.
buy and hold is great but buying and hold is better
This post was edited on 5/16/20 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/16/20 at 2:51 pm to cgrand
if possible. nothing wrong with taking a profit especially if you get stopped out. that is what stop losses are for. prevent losses. I won't bash anyone who had a crystal ball and sold high let this crash and then got back in. or just had enough of holding through downs or was not in a position to do it.
Now, what i explained above is different than the fear mongers we had here for ages saying they were in all cash WAY before this thing was anywhere near the top where it was. doubtful they had a crystal ball about this pandemic. being their timing was atrocious and lost gains. but to each his own!
Now, what i explained above is different than the fear mongers we had here for ages saying they were in all cash WAY before this thing was anywhere near the top where it was. doubtful they had a crystal ball about this pandemic. being their timing was atrocious and lost gains. but to each his own!
Posted on 5/16/20 at 3:22 pm to cgrand
Can't really agree or disagree. It kind of comes down to what a fellow asked me 20 some years ago: are you trading or investing? He got pretty deep in the weeds about the distinction and the varying approach and mindset that's needed for each. So that's why I always ask that (annoying by now ) question when guys come on here asking for advice or picks.
When I read your post, that's the question that popped into my mind. Nothing necessarily wrong with what you're doing either way. But at what point do you call a winner a loser... and how much time do you give a loser to potentially turn around? I mean, using your NFLX example. I don't know where you bought it, but let's say it was $425. Do you set hard or soft stop losses, so that if it dropped to $400 (or whatever) you'd be out? And then if it's a winner and goes to $500, you don't sell, right? But what if it then drops back down to $435. You still have a winner, but you've taken a fairly nice shot and given back most of your gains.
Like I said, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. As long as you have a rule set that you're following, and it's not just based on emotion or gut feel, you can be a consistent money maker over time. When things start going sideways, that's the hardest time for most (myself included) to stick to the backtested rules that have been established.
Good luck with it though.
When I read your post, that's the question that popped into my mind. Nothing necessarily wrong with what you're doing either way. But at what point do you call a winner a loser... and how much time do you give a loser to potentially turn around? I mean, using your NFLX example. I don't know where you bought it, but let's say it was $425. Do you set hard or soft stop losses, so that if it dropped to $400 (or whatever) you'd be out? And then if it's a winner and goes to $500, you don't sell, right? But what if it then drops back down to $435. You still have a winner, but you've taken a fairly nice shot and given back most of your gains.
Like I said, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. As long as you have a rule set that you're following, and it's not just based on emotion or gut feel, you can be a consistent money maker over time. When things start going sideways, that's the hardest time for most (myself included) to stick to the backtested rules that have been established.
Good luck with it though.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 3:31 pm to cgrand
I agree but figuring out which ones are winners is the tough part
Posted on 5/16/20 at 4:08 pm to cgrand
Looking back over the years of trading I never question where I bought a stock at, it’s always when I sold
I had a TWLO long option call dialed up a month or two ago at $2 debit for 5 contracts. Was in TOS this week looking at a vert spread on TWLO and that trade was saved and the contracts were worth $65. Just fml
I had a TWLO long option call dialed up a month or two ago at $2 debit for 5 contracts. Was in TOS this week looking at a vert spread on TWLO and that trade was saved and the contracts were worth $65. Just fml
Posted on 5/16/20 at 4:10 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:
My biggest winner is easily AAPL. I invested a decent amount in it shortly after the stock split. I paid $74.95/share. I've been tempted to sell some a few times but haven't and glad I didn't. I only regret not adding more along the way.
My biggest winner by far. I've been buying it since 2009. I even added when it was over $700 a share and watched it crumble down to the $380 or so and shite my pants. But, I bought more and more through the years the same way.
I remember a couple years ago on here someone started a thread about sell your AAPL, they're going down! I bought more and said maybe it will hit $1,000 again like it was before it split 7. It was under $100 post-split a this point and I was laughed out of here. Over $307 even in these times, my wish might not be that far off in a few years
Posted on 5/16/20 at 4:21 pm to Sho Nuff
quote:
I remember a couple years ago on here someone started a thread about sell your AAPL, they're going down!
I started a thread on here maybe a year ago asking if I should sell some. It wasn't that I thought it would go down, just maybe that it wouldn't be a fast growth stock any longer due to a maturing smart phone market.
My issue was not with the company itself but rather that it's become such an outsized position in my portfolio since I'm up 340% or whatever.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 4:31 pm to cgrand
It’s nowhere that simple. You have to take profits where you can. It’s not a as simple as “just keep holding and winning.” You learn the hard way taking unrealized gains for granted and they can evaporate pretty quick. There’s always another play, probably even in the same position.
You’re always going to have regrets whether buying too soon or selling too early. Gains are gains. Nothing else really matters.
You’re always going to have regrets whether buying too soon or selling too early. Gains are gains. Nothing else really matters.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 4:38 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:
It’s nowhere that simple. You have to take profits where you can. It’s not a as simple as “just keep holding and winning.” You learn the hard way taking unrealized gains for granted and they can evaporate pretty quick. There’s always another play, probably even in the same position.
You’re always going to have regrets whether buying too soon or selling too early. Gains are gains. Nothing else really matters.
right. anyone who sold as soon as this market started tanking....i do not blame them one bit. they said screw it i am taking in profits.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 4:56 pm to cgrand
You should always have an exit strategy. No one has a crystal ball. If you try to time the market you will watch your profits drift away. Figure out what % gains you are happy with and dont look back. Any gains are good. The enemy of good is always better.
This post was edited on 5/16/20 at 5:01 pm
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