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Morning Star Report: Oil, Gas Investors Should Not Sweat the Polls
Posted on 10/16/24 at 7:58 am
Posted on 10/16/24 at 7:58 am
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Oil and gas investors shouldn’t sweat the polls, Morningstar stated in a new report sent to Rigzone.
“During the last nine presidential terms, there is no relationship between energy returns and what political party controls the White House or Congress,” Morningstar said in the report, adding, “we do not expect that to change in 2024”.
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Morningstar highlighted in the report that, preceding Trump’s election, the price/fair value stood at 1.3, which it pointed out was “very overvalued, leading to the subsequent 41 percent decline in the index and 87 percent relative underperformance”.
“No, we couldn’t have foreseen the pandemic, but we wouldn’t have recommended shares regardless,” the company said in the report.
“Prior to Biden’s election and energy’s subsequent 189 percent return and 136 percent relative outperformance, the index stood at price/fair value of 0.53, a clear buy,” Morningstar added.
“Investors who ignored any common perceptions about which presidential candidate would be best for energy stocks and just bought on valuation were rewarded,” it continued.
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Morningstar noted that, outside of equity performance, investors also try to infer an outlook for U.S. production growth from the outcome of the presidential election. The company said this is also largely a waste of time.
“The fact is, since exploration and production companies began exploiting U.S. unconventional resources in the late 2000s, the only thing that has stopped U.S. oil and gas production was low prices and even that proved temporary,” it noted.
“We expect no change come November. Instead of the president or his political party, improving efficiency at unlocking unconventional resource and abundant capital drove U.S. energy production growth higher during the last 15 years,” it added.
“Granted, a lot of capital was destroyed during that time as well, but that had little to do with the president,” it continued.
Morningstar stated in the report that the slowing rate of growth during the Biden administration is more a result of management teams adopting greater capital discipline than administration policies.
“Rystad expects growth for both oil and gas into the next decade before plateauing, and we do not expect that forecast to change materially after election day,” Morningstar added in the report.
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Morningstar said it doesn’t suggest oil and gas companies, or their investors, can expect the same policies in a Trump or Harris presidency.
“They shouldn’t,” it added.
“However, our larger point is that the drivers of energy equity performance are much larger than who sits in the White House and those drivers are inherently unpredictable,” it continued.
“Unless, of course, one thinks war in the Middle East and skyrocketing oil prices are more or less likely with the election of one candidate over another,” it went on to state.
The company noted in the report that ultimately, it thinks the more critical factor for energy equities is that investors continue to demand capital discipline from these firms.
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Morningstar highlighted in the report that a Trump administration is likely to be more industry-friendly than a Harris administration, “with less potential risk around permitting and emissions regulation”.
“However, Trump’s position on the Inflation Reduction Act may conflict with the oil and gas industry’s desire to keep credits for hydrogen, biofuels, and carbon capture in place,” it said.
“We do not ultimately expect any actions of a Harris administration to be meaningfully harmful, with management capital discipline remaining the key issue, not regulation,” it continued.
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Posted on 10/16/24 at 8:09 am to ragincajun03
I think its like anything else, X Democrat will take guns/kill X industry probably isn't true in the short term. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't be pushing us in that direction long term.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 8:36 am to ragincajun03
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The company noted in the report that ultimately, it thinks the more critical factor for energy equities is that investors continue to demand capital discipline from these firms.
I agree. Big oil is done with boom and bust. Investors are demanding share buybacks and dividend increases.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 8:47 am to ragincajun03
Don’t quote me on these exact numbers, but they’re in the ball park:
XLE - Energy ETF was down 45% from Trump inauguration to Biden inauguration
QCLN - Clean energy ETF was up like 300% over the same time
XLE is up something like 130% since Biden took office and QCLN is down 70%.

XLE - Energy ETF was down 45% from Trump inauguration to Biden inauguration
QCLN - Clean energy ETF was up like 300% over the same time
XLE is up something like 130% since Biden took office and QCLN is down 70%.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 11:33 am to VolSquatch
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But that doesn't mean they wouldn't be pushing us in that direction long term.
People have been talking about dems killing O&G for the last 50 years and guess what, O&G is doing better than ever 50 years later.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 12:46 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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People have been talking about dems killing O&G for the last 50 years and guess what, O&G is doing better than ever 50 years later.
O&G will continue to go up until its replaced with other energy sources. Dem leadership speeds that process up.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 12:57 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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O&G is doing better than ever 50 years later.
Not close to being true, but okay.
Gas prices historically have been higher under Democrats than under republicans over the last 20 years. Thats a fact.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 1:22 pm to BadatBourre
quote:How do you mean? We are at peak production and the inflation adjusted price is just fine.
Not close to being true, but okay.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 1:34 pm to Big Scrub TX
Let's see. There are about 200 less O&G companies working today than there was 50 years ago. When's the last time you've driven through Houma or even Broussard and seen the number of offices closed and left abandoned that all used to be O&G? When's the last time you checked the number of rigs working currently in the GOM or on land? When's the last time you took a boat by GI 16 and see the number of rigs cold stacked?
Do I need to keep going on, or have a I proved my point? Just because technology has allowed us to produce more, doesn't mean the O&G sector is doing better.
Do I need to keep going on, or have a I proved my point? Just because technology has allowed us to produce more, doesn't mean the O&G sector is doing better.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 1:40 pm to bigjoe1
Doesn't matter what "big oil" wants. It matters what Saudi wants. They can flood the market in 30 seconds if they want.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 2:05 pm to BadatBourre
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When's the last time you checked the number of rigs working currently in the GOM or on land?
I'm not going to answer for GOM, but for land rigs, there's less because we don't need the numbers we used to in order to increase production.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 2:07 pm to BadatBourre
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BadatBourre
your understanding on this subject is about 20 years outdated. but i do not have the time to type out how uninformed it is
Posted on 10/16/24 at 2:22 pm to BadatBourre
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When's the last time you've driven through Houma or even Broussard and seen the number of offices closed and left abandoned that all used to be O&G?
it is a shite ton. i agree. empty yards also.
Here's the problem. The radical left wing of the Dems who have control have been trying to STOP the permitting of lng export facilities in the US. They have also slowed construction of new refinery's as well. This is not debatable.
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On his first day in office, Biden signed an Executive Order to impose a temporary moratorium on oil and gas lease activities in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, withdrew offshore areas in Arctic waters and the Bering Sea from oil and gas drilling, and revoked a key permit for the Keystone XL pipeline. In June 2021, the Biden administration went further in ANWR and suspended oil and gas leases.
In his second week in office, he signed another Order that put a “pause” on new oil and gas leasing on federal lands and offshore waters. The Biden Administration violated Congressional statute by halting all federal oil and gas lease sales – onshore and offshore – and is thereby laying the groundwork for a decline in federal production over time.
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Judge Orders Biden Administration to Resume Permits for Gas Exports
President Biden had paused new natural gas export terminals to assess their effects on the climate, economy and national security. A federal judge disagreed.
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Most O&G projects aren't very quick - especially talking about LNG plants or deep water platforms - the benefits we're seeing now are from work that was started 5-10 years ago. Biden's policies are hurting the next round of projects.
powerbottom is a dumbfrick commie. he does not know shite about leasing, permitting, drilling, production timelines or shite about federal or private lands or bidens comments about federal leasing.
we discussed this yesterday.
next he will say we did not have a moratorium under obama or him and biden did not shut down keystone XL!
or that dems love fossil fuels! love them so much california wants no more gasoline powered cars!
75% of oil production here comes from PRIVATE AND STATE LANDS
NOT FEDERAL
see whole thread here.
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Posted on 10/16/24 at 4:10 pm to Fat Bastard
keystone xl had nothing to do with US oil production. it was a pipeline to get Canadian tar sand oil into the US.
the closed yards have to do with drilling in areas where it is uneconomical to drill at today's prices (lots of gulf) or there are no longer any significant deposits (south la). not much incentive to drill in costly areas with prices where they are and how economical it is to drill in texas (for oil at least)
the closed yards have to do with drilling in areas where it is uneconomical to drill at today's prices (lots of gulf) or there are no longer any significant deposits (south la). not much incentive to drill in costly areas with prices where they are and how economical it is to drill in texas (for oil at least)
Posted on 10/16/24 at 5:22 pm to lsujro
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keystone xl had nothing to do with US oil production. it was a pipeline to get Canadian tar sand oil into the US.
I don't believe that is ENTIRELY true. I think there was some possible plans for Bakken production to tie into the pipeline.
Bakken and other US oilfields have found a way to get their product to market without Keystone XL. The cancelation of the pipeline permit itself didn't really hinder US production; however, it did give off an initial signal to the markets and O&G investors that the current administration was not going to be favorable towards the O&G Industry.
At the end of the day, though, industry will always find a workaround. It just sucks having to put up with petty bullshite.
This post was edited on 10/16/24 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 10/16/24 at 8:29 pm to BadatBourre
quote:That's literally a meaningless stat (if it is even true). There's been massive consolidation in the industry, including this year. I see no reason to believe that is an inherent net negative. Do you know how many fewer car companies there are than there used to be?
There are about 200 less O&G companies working today than there was 50 years ago
quote:You've answered your own question. Technology-driven production increases DEFINITELY means it's doing better. The industry has amazingly rationalized itself every step of the way. In 2014 when it melted down, it spent the next 3 years increasing productivity in a low price environment to a ridiculous extent.
When's the last time you've driven through Houma or even Broussard and seen the number of offices closed and left abandoned that all used to be O&G? When's the last time you checked the number of rigs working currently in the GOM or on land? When's the last time you took a boat by GI 16 and see the number of rigs cold stacked?
Do I need to keep going on, or have a I proved my point? Just because technology has allowed us to produce more, doesn't mean the O&G sector is doing better.
Just because offices from the 80s in Houma are closed doesn't mean the industry is suffering. I wonder how much honeyhole acreage LA even has left.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 11:31 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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People have been talking about dems killing O&G for the last 50 years
It’s not for lack of trying.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 8:15 am to BadatBourre
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Not close to being true, but okay.
Are you in the industry?
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:02 am to ragincajun03
Let’s be honest. Does anyone really think Morningstar is politically objective? All the major financial companies lean left now politically. I don’t trust these woke companies telling me “democrats are great for oil and gas!” Next you’ll tell me Goldman Sachs is TOTALLY non political.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:18 am to ragincajun03
As a royalty holder in some oil wells, democrat attacks on the oil industry drive oil prices sky high. Some of the best years we have ever had were when the democrats were pushing idiotic "green" energy.
Then they get mad when the oil companies record record profits on their watch.
Then they get mad when the oil companies record record profits on their watch.
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