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re: Moody's downgrades US Credit rating

Posted on 5/18/25 at 6:31 pm to
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73139 posts
Posted on 5/18/25 at 6:31 pm to
It’s only down 250 points. Less than half a percent
Posted by Art Blakey
Member since Aug 2023
287 posts
Posted on 5/18/25 at 6:45 pm to
Equities will be fine, ultimately this will be good for stocks. All the money exiting sovereign debt is flowing into stocks, gold and btc. I still can't get over the "smart money", aka the bond market, believing doge was going to save them. They literally named it after a shitcoin rugpull, lol.

Bessent went on TV this morning and confirmed what was fairly obvious to anyone who has studied sovereign debt crises, we're going to inflate our way out. Bond holders have been dealt aces since 1981. That's over. They're the sucker at the card table now. Enjoy your capped 5% yield w/ 10% inflation.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
19132 posts
Posted on 5/18/25 at 8:06 pm to
Total Medicare costs are up $70B net since 2019. SS costs are up $500B since $2019. So we’ll use a round $600B increase.

The total federal budget in 2019 was roughly $4T.

So taking that into account, if we cut all other expenditures back to 2019 levels - with 2024 revenue at $5T - we balance the budget instantly. That’s INCLUDING the current SS and Medicare expenditures…no cuts.

The entitlements are a problem but they’re not THE problem. THE problem is we increased spending in 2020 by $2T and never went back. The crooks in DC won’t give up the extra $2T and it’s not being spent on Medicare or SS.

ETA: I know this is an oversimplification but this is doable without a huge disruption in SS or Medicare.

ETA2: obviously interest in the debt is higher than 2019. However with a coordinated cut in spending to $5T to equal govt revenues and cut in interest rate we could balance the financial impact of sucking $1T out of overall spending, refinance the debt at lower rates and put ourselves on a glide path to pay down the deficit.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 9:53 am
Posted by EulerRules
Member since Dec 2019
1867 posts
Posted on 5/18/25 at 10:20 pm to
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the least painful way out is inflating out and I think that's exactly what is about to happen


You CANNOT INFLATE the National Debt away when you consistently run large annual deficits. In the past 10 years US Federal Tax Revenue has been about $39T, while the National Debt increased over $16T. They are spending 40% more than they collect.
Social Security ran a $67B deficit in 2024, leaving it with $2.721T in "ASSETS ("LINK So theoretically Social Security is NOT the problem and nowhere near "going broke".
The problem is Soc Sec "ASSETS" are US Govt paper. That's right, the US Govt lends itself money and considers the notes "ASSETS". But in reality the money has already been spent on NON-SOCIAL SECURITY programs.
If I take $20 from my right pocket and place it in my left pocket in exchange for a $20 "Note" from the left pocket, that I then stick in my right pocket, but THEN SPEND the $20 from my left pocket, I should not consider the $20 "Note" as an "asset". You can't owe yourself money and consider it an asset...unless you are the US Federal Government.
Posted by DrrTiger
Gulf of America
Member since Nov 2023
2356 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:06 am to
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Can't wait for that worthless shitstain of a generation to be gone.


Yeah, can’t wait for the generation that turned the entire country gay to run the show.
Posted by Art Blakey
Member since Aug 2023
287 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:18 am to
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You CANNOT INFLATE the National Debt away when you consistently run large annual deficits


That is exactly how it is done. You're confusing nominal debt for debt/gdp ratio. Nominal debt goes up but at a slower pace than gdp. They need to take our 123% debt/gdp to 75 or 80. That can only be done by inflation. Austerity blows out the deficit further as tax receipts collapse while transfer payments increase.

Doge was a rugpull. Trimming defense spending was a rugpull. Cutting entitlements rugpulls the career of every member of congress. The 30 yr just hit 5%. What do you think is about to happen? Bessent went on tv yesterday and told us.
Posted by LChama
Member since May 2020
3303 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:26 am to
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Bessent went on tv yesterday and told us.


Which part are you referring to? (serious question, no smartass-ness intended)
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135510 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:43 am to
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That is exactly how it is done. You're confusing nominal debt for debt/gdp ratio. Nominal debt goes up but at a slower pace than gdp. They need to take our 123% debt/gdp to 75 or 80. That can only be done by inflation.
Unfortunately we're approaching fiscal dominance. Though were aren't there yet, running up rates (devaluing the USD) in order to devalue our debt in real terms concomitantly leads to catastrophic impact on cost-of-carry and therefore our annual deficits. Optimally, we'd like a strong dollar and low rates until Congress gets its deficits controlled. Then we could move to weaken the USD.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
15973 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:52 am to
Pretty big deal but this same evaluation could have been made years ago.

The message here- curb the borrowing!
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13326 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:57 am to
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With boomers its "i gots mines and frick everyone else"

You useful idiots don't even grasp that this latest excuse to externalize your failures is you being used.

What about the Gen Z ers that all left high COL places to remote work in smaller towns, hammering home prices up bigly, only to return to the metro areas once they stopped with lockdown mania, but leaving high home prices behind?

Keep whining and pretending life is out of your control. You'll be protesting in DC with purple hair in a few decades. If your life success depended on your daddy leaving you a few hundred thousand dollars and a house, you done screwed up. No one is coming. Expect to self-rescue. Or die.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:01 am to
You are a count. Stop relying on your father and mother to fix the issue in front of you!

Grow up
Posted by Art Blakey
Member since Aug 2023
287 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:05 am to
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Which part are you referring to? (serious question, no smartass-ness intended)

LINK
Posted by Art Blakey
Member since Aug 2023
287 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:09 am to
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Unfortunately we're approaching fiscal dominance.


Imo, we entered during covid response. The fastest rate hike in history being stimulatory (when combined by shifting issuance to the short end) was confirmation.

LINK
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91320 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:29 am to
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Why the frick did these piece of shite assholes do this on a friday after the close. i mean WTF they just fricked a lot portfolios


what an overreaction.
Posted by AuburnTigers
9x National Champion
Member since Aug 2013
17432 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:45 am to
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what an overreaction.
My targets in the market have mostly recovered from the early dip. Saved some money before the drop and scooped up the profits on the way back up
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
33120 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 8:59 am to
The stock market since Trump got in is a circus every day. It’s kind of fun

Opening in the red doesn’t mean shite anymore.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
4273 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:18 pm to
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Opening in the red doesn’t mean shite anymore.
The ETFs I follow are in the green now. Crazy.
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