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Limited Partnership (K-1 Question)

Posted on 2/20/23 at 1:26 pm
Posted by WM88
West Monroe
Member since Aug 2004
1582 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 1:26 pm
2022 is the first year I'll have to deal with this tax document.
I tried to do my taxes (turbotax) this weekend and realized that my Brokerage didn't provide me a K-1 for the distributions I received in 2022 (about $350).
I did some research and "believe" that this is something I'll be receiving from the actual company (CVR Partners).
It also appears that the deadline for these to be sent is not until mid March.

I've seen folks that won't invest in Limited partnerships due to dealing with the K-1.

Will I receive this directly from the Company?
Will it truly be mid march?
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4465 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 1:35 pm to
You receive k-1’s from the company so you are stuck until they file their taxes to file yours. And most companies are going to do an extension to file so you’re unlikely to get it before April.

You could probably file and get away with it since it’s such a small amount. If you get audited you can just play dumb
Posted by cfotiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
772 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 1:57 pm to
K-1s are required to be furnished timely to the partners, members or S Corp owners; however, sometimes extensions are filed and the individual taxpayer is out of luck until the k-1s are received. You may be forced to file for an extension if the k-1s are not received in time for you to file your individual returns by 4/15.

By the way, what you report on your individual return is not related to the amount of the distributions you have received; the k-1s will tell you your share of the profit or loss to report on your individual returns. Be careful, as things like interest and depreciation are separately reported on the k-1s (they are not part of your share of the ordinary income or loss).

I strongly recommend against filing your return until you have received the k-1s.
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
46188 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 2:05 pm to
If you’re invested in a publicly traded partnership, usually they’ll send the K-1 to the brokerage and the brokerage will send it to you.

Yes it will truly be mid-March or possibly later. Technically they can extend to September 15th.

Like someone said above. You’re not going to be taxed on the distribution you received. You’ll be taxed on your share of the partnership’s income.
This post was edited on 2/20/23 at 2:06 pm
Posted by texn
Pronouns: Y'All/Y'All's
Member since Nov 2019
3500 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

You receive k-1’s from the company so you are stuck until they file their taxes to file yours. And most companies are going to do an extension to file so you’re unlikely to get it before April.

You could probably file and get away with it since it’s such a small amount. If you get audited you can just play dumb


Agree with all this sage advice & add that you can also file your 1040 now without the K-1 and then file an amended 1040 after you receive the k-1
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4465 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 4:38 pm to
quote:

Agree with all this sage advice & add that you can also file your 1040 now without the K-1 and then file an amended 1040 after you receive the k-1


Very true. So long as OP understands the tax consequences to it. Doesn’t sound like the k-1 will be a needle mover of any kind though.

Love the downvotes above. Keep them coming. Like you baws have never done a little tax maneuvering
This post was edited on 2/20/23 at 6:06 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37084 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 5:13 pm to
Welcome to the world of PTP (Publicly Traded Partnerships) investing.

You will get a K-1 which will likely show less income than the distributions you received (that's how these things work... deferred taxation on cash received).

It may even show a loss... and if so... that loss is not deductible until you have income from that PTP.

Your tax return just got more complicated.

You can sign up online to get notified when the K-1 is ready, and download it from the website. That will be quicker than waiting for it to arrive in the mail.

LINK

Yes it will be mid march but probably not later. They "can" extend but most of these types of operating entities do not.
Posted by CherokeeTiger
Member since Jan 2011
610 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 4:32 am to
These things basically fling shite all over your tax return, turning it into something that potentially requires professional help.

Some people own these within their IRA thinking they can get around it. They also can have UBTI (Unrelated Business Taxable Income) which can cause your IRA to have to pay taxes if over a certain amount….I believe it is $1,000 of UBTI. Filing and payment requirements should be handled by the company who manages the IRA.
Posted by JL
Member since Aug 2006
3040 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 12:35 pm to
File for an extension and have your accountant figure up how much you will owe the IRS based on everything without the K-1's and pay the IRS that amount. If you don't you will pay interest of what you would have owed the IRS on the normal deadline.

I waited to pay the full amount after I got my K-1's close to extension date and got hit with like $600 in interest accumulated from not paying my personal taxes when they were due.
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 12:38 pm
Posted by WM88
West Monroe
Member since Aug 2004
1582 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:52 pm to
I'm a poor. I get a refund.
Posted by WM88
West Monroe
Member since Aug 2004
1582 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:52 pm to
I self manage my 401k. Limited partnerships are blocked (by my employer)
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
10145 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:08 am to
The wife gets a K-1 and it's always the last thing to arrive.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9204 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:29 am to
quote:

2022 is the first year I'll have to deal with this tax document.
I tried to do my taxes (turbotax) this weekend and realized that my Brokerage didn't provide me a K-1 for the distributions I received in 2022 (about $350).
I did some research and "believe" that this is something I'll be receiving from the actual company (CVR Partners).
It also appears that the deadline for these to be sent is not until mid March.

I've seen folks that won't invest in Limited partnerships due to dealing with the K-1.

Will I receive this directly from the Company?
Will it truly be mid march?


FFS, why even bother with an MLP when you are getting $350/year in distributions? Seriously. I haven't paid taxes on MLP distributions in over 15 years, they are currently very favorable for high income and keeping ACA health insurance costs extremely low. If I were you and you are not planning to make significant investments in the MLP you own I would sell what you have and be done with it with your 2023 tax filing. Most MLPs I have owned get K-1's out by the first week of March.
Posted by grsharky
Member since Dec 2019
181 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:52 am to
I bought some stock in MLP last year because a friend of mine worked for the company and told me to get in. I bought very little, and then when I saw what a pain in the a** it was going to be with the K1 I sold it immediately, never got a distribution. I think I saw on my 1099 from Vanguard that I made $3.74. I don't even know if I'll get a form for that little of time and amount. Even if I did, is worth doing anything with it?
Posted by leeman101
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2020
1502 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 8:04 am to
After a couple years of owning stock in one, I stay away from them. Too much trouble to figure out. That is one thing the IRS could simplify.
Posted by Bacchus
Tulsa
Member since Feb 2009
278 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 8:23 am to
Agree with everyone above. Filed my taxes not knowing I was going to even get a K-1, then amended by return when I received it. Well, that put me in the back of the line to get my refund. It didn't show up for 10 months, but at least they included some interest.

The stock was even in tax deferred account, but it didn't matter. Even though the distributions were less than $1k, I still had to include it in my return.

Sold the stock and bought an ETF that included a large position in that stock, but without the K-1 nightmare.
Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
3730 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:57 pm to
K1s always showed up after tax deadline. thats why i dont do my own taxes.

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