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If I get cash from the ATM and then the value of the dollar goes up do I owe tax on that?

Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:33 pm
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
40734 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:33 pm
No? Then why in the world do I owe taxes on Bitcoin that is now more valuable then when I bought it?

Is this discrimination?
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
9977 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:37 pm to
If you held that dollar in the bank and collected interest on it. The interest earned is taxable. But the IRS doesn’t make you report it unless it is over 25 dollars I believe.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38319 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

Is this discrimination?


You also have to pay taxes on buying and selling gold. The tax man is going to get what he wants.

But really, you should not be buying with the intention of selling for at least 5-10 years. Bitcoin acceptance is happening at a rapid pace.

State by State, it will be accepted as a form of money and then on a national level there will be pressure to treat is as such.

Just this week....

I personally don't see it happening but many do.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
452011 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

Then why in the world do I owe taxes on Bitcoin that is now more valuable then when I bought it?


You mean like holding foreign currency?

quote:

For US tax purposes, only American currency counts as “money”. The currency of other countries – and non-state currency like Bitcoin – is considered “property”. Exchange rates between currencies change all the time. If the value of your foreign currency changes in dollar terms from when you acquire it to when you dispose of it, you will have a gain or loss that can be taxable. Generally, gain on appreciated currency is taxable at ordinary income rates – not as capital gain. Losses are frequently deductible at ordinary rates, too, which can be a boon where a foreign currency position has lost value.


The article discusses some exceptions.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
40734 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

For US tax purposes, only American currency counts as “money”. The currency of other countries – and non-state currency like Bitcoin – is considered “property”.



Well shite. Now they're after my Iraqi Dinar? So if it hits big I'm better just going to Iraq and spending it?
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
56939 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:52 pm to
My job has started paying us every day because the inflation is so bad

Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4813 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 2:28 pm to
How they gonna know what you own in a cold wallet is the big question.
Posted by 3D
NJ
Member since Sep 2013
1216 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 7:26 pm to
u will owe under the harris administration
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
9977 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 8:09 pm to
quote:

If you held that dollar in the bank and collected interest on it. The interest earned is taxable. But the IRS doesn’t make you report it unless it is over 25 dollars I believe.



I forgot to add even some of those bank promos for having direct deposit and they give you 200 dollars. That 200 dollars is taxable as interest income
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39244 posts
Posted on 10/26/24 at 12:19 am to
taking money out of the ATM is not the exchange of one asset for another,

Spending bitcoin is exchanging one asset for another.

A better comparison would be you buying an asset with cash and having to pay tax on the value you n trade in the dollar.

You don’t because by law,USD is a currency and the value always equals the basis.
This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 12:20 am
Posted by Finnish
Member since Nov 2021
666 posts
Posted on 10/26/24 at 6:38 am to
quote:

then the value of the dollar goes up


Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131328 posts
Posted on 10/26/24 at 6:46 am to
quote:

If I get cash from the ATM and then the value of the dollar goes up do I owe tax on that?
Taxes are based on value in dollars, not valuation of dollars. The value of a dollar bill in five years will be $1, regardless of buying power (valuation). The value of 1 bitcoin in dollars will change.

A 2024 dollar is only worth 81% of its 2019 counterpart. In other words, it takes $123 today to buy what $100 would have bought in 2019.

If taxes were instead based on dollar valuation as your OP suggests, a 2019 $100K investment cashed out at $120K today could be entered as a $3K capital loss.
This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 6:59 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30037 posts
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:35 am to
Because Bitcoin isn't considered currency by the Feds. Same thing with gold. This was my response on the subject on a gold thread:

quote:

It’s not money, unfortunately. As a libertarian, I wish it was, and I agree from a philosophical perspective. But as long as it is subject to capital gains taxes, it unfortunately is not as a factual matter.


Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
7800 posts
Posted on 10/26/24 at 2:13 pm to
A dollar that you obtain from an ATM is simply a banknote that promises you the current value of one US dollar. It is “backed by the full faith and credit of the US Government “ …. for whatever that’s worth these days.

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