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Posted on 1/12/22 at 8:47 am to thunderbird1100
Ok so 2400 then then about 16000 over 7yrs
Then when the water heater breaks you have to pull from the reduced savings you now have or get taxed out of your 401k
Or even better go and get a Heloc
This one is always my favorite
So if values dropped 30-40% how would putting 20% down have you in any better of a postion?
You will be upside down either way
Then when the water heater breaks you have to pull from the reduced savings you now have or get taxed out of your 401k
Or even better go and get a Heloc
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Not only that, but he could very well be buying at the housing peak around now any by putting so little down could find himself in a bad equity situation if the housing market corrects some which is also another issue.
This one is always my favorite
So if values dropped 30-40% how would putting 20% down have you in any better of a postion?
You will be upside down either way
Posted on 1/12/22 at 9:00 am to SDVTiger
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Ok so 2400 then then about 16000 over 7yrs
When he can easily avoid it by simply not having it and it's no sweat off his back and money he doesnt have to just light on fire.
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Then when the water heater breaks you have to pull from the reduced savings you now have or get taxed out of your 401k
The guy makes $110k/yr, has at least $125k saved up of which I never said he should burn all $125k or close to that and you're worried about him replacing a water heater which is about $1500?
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This one is always my favorite
So if values dropped 30-40% how would putting 20% down have you in any better of a postion?
You will be upside down either way
Short of 2008, a ridiculous drastic drop like that is EXTREMELY unlikely to happen in the housing market any time soon. After the bull run of the last year+ though in the housing market, it shouldnt surprise anyone to see a correction happen there once supply chains start to get back to normal. We wont see a 30-40% drop for that, but it could be 5-10% and if you put 5% down on a home, well, there goes all your equity and now you have no access to things like:
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Or even better go and get a Heloc
You do realize to get a HELOC you have to have at least a decent amount of equity in your house right? If you have 5-10% equity, good luck getting a HELOC.
Again in this guys situation who is not even close to being short of money, he doesnt need to pay PMI for a place for himself so there's really no reason he should put himself in that situation to just burn some money to keep a huge chunk of cash for himself. It's a different situation if he said he had $25k available, but it's not the case here. He has $125k at least....and I'm not saying he should run out and put $100k-$125k down on a house. I said $60k-$80k on a $300k-$400k place which still leaves him at least $45k-$65k...so I think he could afford a water heater or two still.
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 9:03 am
Posted on 1/12/22 at 9:06 am to thunderbird1100
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you put 5% down on a home, well, there goes all your equity and now you have no access to things like:
Your down payment is now equity
Thats your money you parked into the home that you are paying interest on
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If you have 5-10% equity, good luck getting a HELOC.
Helocs go to 95% right now
In conclusion id rather my money not be in the wall papers of my home
Clearly i have a much different approach for RE financing.
I dont even pay principle which is blasphemy on this board
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 9:10 am
Posted on 1/12/22 at 9:11 am to SDVTiger
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Your down payment is now equity
Thats your money you parked into the home that you are paying interest on
Less interest, no PMI. When you have the money, there's really no point in intentionally putting yourself in a risky housing situation.
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Helocs go to 95% right now
What happens if the market corrects and your house is worth 10% less next year and you only put 5% down? Guess what the lender can do.
getting a HELOC with 5% equity seems like an ultra bad move
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 9:13 am
Posted on 1/12/22 at 9:19 am to thunderbird1100
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Less interest, no PMI. When you have the money, there's really no point in intentionally putting yourself in a risky housing situation.
How are you in a "risky" housing situation by putting less down?
If you are 90, 95, 100, 105% what does it matter if you can make the payment
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What happens if the market corrects and your house is worth 10% less next year and you only put 5% down? Guess what the lender can do.
getting a HELOC with 5% equity seems like an ultra bad move ?
All helocs are bad moves
Posted on 1/12/22 at 9:25 am to SDVTiger
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How are you in a "risky" housing situation by putting less down?
You're likely to still have equity and access to that in a situation where you have a lot more equity if a market correction happens. Again, the guy has money here, there's no real good reason for him to have little to no equity in house and be paying PMI. He still would have tons of money leftover by putting down 20% on a $300k-$400k place. There's no point in putting himself in a situation where a market downturn happens, he has such little equity to begin with in his house if he sold it he has to the pay the difference just to move because his mortgage amount is actually higher than what he could get for the home in a few years. Why even put yourself in that situation when it's so easily avoidable?
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All helocs are bad moves
Not really with the low rates. It's not something I'd personally do but if you can get like a 4% rate on a HELOC for a housing reno it's not a terrible idea.
I certainly wouldnt be running to open a HELOC after putitng down 5% on a home though.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 9:46 am to Dawgfanman
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With inflation all across the economy, what makes this likely to occur? Even if supply catches up, do you expect a deflationary environment? If so, won’t that likely impact us all in very negative way?
I guess it's based on a few assumptions :
1) More supply comes online as homebuilders catch up
2) At some point this massive reshuffling of people moving from here to there due to the flexibility of remote work will be largely done
3) As we hopefully move past the pandemic and the global economy fully comes back the supply side pressures should ease up
Posted on 1/12/22 at 9:52 am to danilo
You are working from home which means you have ultimate flexibility in where you live. You seem fine living in your current rental which is a good deal. I would keep renting if I was you and save as much as you can.
I’ve owned 3 homes. When you own a home, it’s a lot of headaches and costs you don’t foresee. New roofs, A/C goes out, termite bonds, trees falling in storms, etc. As my dad would say, it’s easier to buy a house than sell it too. You are going to lose money if you buy and don’t stay there at least 5 years and that’s just closing costs and upkeep. If market goes down you could be really stuck.
If you are worried about losing out on appreciating real estate then invest in a real estate fund…but you’d likely be better off just putting more money in a stock index fund.
Summation, I’d just keep renting cheaply and maintain my flexibility until I was sure I really wanted to live in a specific place permanently. Alternatively, keep looking for a great deal. You’ve got the cash to be able to move quickly on a foreclosure or fire sale for something small and you don’t need a lot of room. Renovations on a small property are not extremely expensive. I’d find a realtor who specializes in foreclosures and ask them to keep an eye out for you. I bought a Homepath property as a foreclosure for $115k and put $200k into it. It’s worth over $500k now. Plus it’s done exactly how I want. Homepath requires you to live in the property for 12 months so flippers avoid these.
I’ve owned 3 homes. When you own a home, it’s a lot of headaches and costs you don’t foresee. New roofs, A/C goes out, termite bonds, trees falling in storms, etc. As my dad would say, it’s easier to buy a house than sell it too. You are going to lose money if you buy and don’t stay there at least 5 years and that’s just closing costs and upkeep. If market goes down you could be really stuck.
If you are worried about losing out on appreciating real estate then invest in a real estate fund…but you’d likely be better off just putting more money in a stock index fund.
Summation, I’d just keep renting cheaply and maintain my flexibility until I was sure I really wanted to live in a specific place permanently. Alternatively, keep looking for a great deal. You’ve got the cash to be able to move quickly on a foreclosure or fire sale for something small and you don’t need a lot of room. Renovations on a small property are not extremely expensive. I’d find a realtor who specializes in foreclosures and ask them to keep an eye out for you. I bought a Homepath property as a foreclosure for $115k and put $200k into it. It’s worth over $500k now. Plus it’s done exactly how I want. Homepath requires you to live in the property for 12 months so flippers avoid these.
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/12/22 at 9:54 am to SDVTiger
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Put 5% down and keep the cash in your bank
Yeah, don't do this. If the money is in the home it gets the benefit of likely growing with inflation in housing prices.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 12:34 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Put 5% down and keep the cash in your bank
Yeah, don't do this. If the money is in the home it gets the benefit of likely growing with inflation in housing prices.
What?
How would additional dead equity be a better way to avoid inflation than liquid funds?
Posted on 1/12/22 at 12:54 pm to seawolf06
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Also, I would recommend putting no more than 5% down on a house. Interest rates are too low to invest more than that and PMI isn't as bad as people want to think.
Keep 6-9 months in some type of accessible accounts for emergencies and put the rest into investments.
dear god please do this. please. with interest rates now a days...its free money. dont waste your own money. please for the love of god dont put 100k down.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 1:36 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Yeah, don't do this. If the money is in the home it gets the benefit of likely growing with inflation in housing prices.
How does your money grow exactly?
If you put 5% or 20% that doesnt determine value growth
Posted on 1/12/22 at 2:50 pm to SDVTiger
This is one of those subtle yet not so subtle brag threads
Posted on 1/12/22 at 7:55 pm to thunderbird1100
I was just quoted $83/month pmi on a 499k property putting 5 % down with a high 700s credit score
Posted on 1/12/22 at 8:10 pm to danilo
quote:Personally I wouldn’t be running out to buy a house right now but you definitely make enough to upgrade from living in a small crappy place, especially if you have to work from home.
Tiny. Less than 350 sq feet. Potential for flooding, AC kinda sucks, and drafty too. Still feel very lucky.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 9:50 pm to danilo
About $300k…don’t screw yourself by taking on too much debt. Especially on a non income producing asset. You’ll regret it later. No better time to start investing money than when you’re young so you can do whatever you want later on. Sounds like old person talk…but it’s so very true.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 10:00 pm to danilo
Beware the online house affordability calculators. They always overshoot what you can “afford” and don’t take into account the maintenance, repairs, variety of monthly services, etc. and certainly don’t account for lifestyle or savings habits.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 8:49 am to danilo
Quit listening to all the pope telling yu what the PMI would be. Shop around for a good interest rate and actually find out what the PMI would be. You sound like a financially responsible person who invest very diligently. See if you would make more by paying PMI or inventing the money, because it is so cheap to borrow.
A few things to consider. Condos do not appreciate at the rate houses do, and can sometimes take a little longer to sell. Someone your age might be getting married in a couple of years, so look a house you can fit a wife and kid in for a bit, just to be on the safe side.
Don’t fret this too much. Go for a house in the $400k range puts you in a decent area and you can afford it. Figure out the PMI, and don’t look back. You could also just work backwards and figure out how much money you want to spend a month on your note. This might make you more comfortable.
Good luck and enjoy Jefferson Parish.
A few things to consider. Condos do not appreciate at the rate houses do, and can sometimes take a little longer to sell. Someone your age might be getting married in a couple of years, so look a house you can fit a wife and kid in for a bit, just to be on the safe side.
Don’t fret this too much. Go for a house in the $400k range puts you in a decent area and you can afford it. Figure out the PMI, and don’t look back. You could also just work backwards and figure out how much money you want to spend a month on your note. This might make you more comfortable.
Good luck and enjoy Jefferson Parish.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 9:16 am
Posted on 1/13/22 at 9:21 am to danilo
Reach out to see your options- Everyone's goals are different username@gmail.com
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