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Fidelity, which helped finance $44 billion Twitter takeover slashes Twitter's value by 56%
Posted on 12/30/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 12/30/22 at 12:13 pm
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Fidelity, which helped @elonmusk finance his $44 billion Twitter takeover, wrote down the value of its investment by 56% after just one month.
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 12:16 pm to hikingfan
Basically taking a year end tax loss to offset any gains
Posted on 12/30/22 at 12:19 pm to hikingfan
Eh, no one really knows what Twitter is worth and this is headline clickbait. Elon has a vision for Twitter that is fundamentally different than the company he purchased. Traditional valuation methods aren’t good at evaluating this sort of thing.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 12:29 pm to hikingfan
I can't wait to see the losses on these private and VC funds after all these public comps are taking these types of haircuts 
Posted on 12/30/22 at 12:45 pm to hikingfan
Corruption to evade taxes
Posted on 12/30/22 at 2:50 pm to hikingfan
I look forward to TNN, Twitter news network where the anchor dresses up as Doge interviewing Elon
Posted on 12/30/22 at 5:57 pm to Free888
quote:How exactly do they take a tax loss unless they realized the losses?
Basically taking a year end tax loss to offset any gains
Regardless, if the value was based on the $54.20 per share sales price, then that puts the per share price at about $23.78 per share, about a 45.3% decrease for the year. That's pretty comparable to the 42.6% Global X Social Media ETF (SOCL) and quite a bit better than a number of other large social media stocks like META and SNAP.
So considering the debt and its annual servicing that came with the sale, for a company that struggles to make much of a profit and grow that profit, with a lot of uncertainty surrounding it (someone else taking over for Elon, push for more of a subscription model instead of an ad model, etc.), I think that's a pretty favorable valuation. I mean that still puts it at about a TTM PE ratio (from last public filings) of over about 100.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 6:07 pm to Upperdecker
quote:How do you even consider this? Fidelity has like $4.5 trillion AUM and this is a $30 million dollar markdown, which is like 1/150k of their AUM. They're not going to commit tax evasion (a crime) over an amount so small (relatively speaking). Not to mention, this is part of their mutual fund offerings, so it's largely others' money at play.
Corruption to evade taxes
On top of that, I'm not sure how they could even avoid, let alone evade, taxes for an unrealized gain. And marking down an investment only makes their performance worse, which is not what you want to sell your fund to investors. And finally, since funds make a lot of their money from operating expenses as a percentage of AUM, a lower evaluation means less income from that.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 1:33 pm to buckeye_vol
Yeah, I work at Fidelity in one of their investment teams.
People seem to think there's way more shady shite that goes on at asset management firms than there actually is.
It's a pretty cushy job but there isn't the level of corruption that people think.
People seem to think there's way more shady shite that goes on at asset management firms than there actually is.
It's a pretty cushy job but there isn't the level of corruption that people think.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 8:58 pm to lynxcat
This.
This is exactly the reason you take a company private to restructure, you can’t do the dirty work in a public market. Trying to assign a value mid restructure is stilly.
This is exactly the reason you take a company private to restructure, you can’t do the dirty work in a public market. Trying to assign a value mid restructure is stilly.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 10:11 pm to CAPEX
Fidelity is about as clean as they come.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:23 am to barry
quote:This is true, but I also think people are misinterpreting what this valuation reflects and some timing quirks due to the period of time for the sale to become final and if being finalized near the end of the year.
This. This is exactly the reason you take a company private to restructure, you can’t do the dirty work in a public market. Trying to assign a value mid restructure is stilly.
Specifically this seems more reflective of a mark-to-market valuation, and a valuation that would have likely been similar 6 months ago. It just happened that by the time Elon took over, it was months later, and I’m assuming Fidelity marked it down so quickly because it was nearing the end of the year (could be wrong).
So altogether it looks like the sudden and dramatic markdown was all a result of Elon’s month as CEO, but I think it actually has little to do with that, and maybe nothing at all.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:50 am to lynxcat
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Elon has a vision for Twitter that is fundamentally different than the company he purchased.
Nothing he has actually done implies considered vision that he is deliberately moving towards.
He is flailing from one reactionary move to another.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:36 am to Volvagia
Yet user activity and accounts are at an all time high.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 11:37 am
Posted on 1/1/23 at 6:09 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Yet user activity and accounts are at an all time high.
So basically you are acknowledging he either never purged the bots he went on and on about as to what was the cancer of Twitter and what represented the bulk of active users on the platform or he was completely wrong and they didn’t exist.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:08 pm to lynxcat
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Eh, no one really knows what Twitter is worth and this is headline clickbait. Elon has a vision for Twitter that is fundamentally different than the company he purchased. Traditional valuation methods aren’t good at evaluating this sort of thing.
At a certain point, I would just trust the guy who is likely to be the world's first trillionaire if he lives long enough.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 2:09 pm to buckeye_vol
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How exactly do they take a tax loss unless they realized the losses?
Perform a valuation using new data. Could use loss of advertisers for example, higher borrowing costs, etc. the decrease in valuation offsets gains for other equities. Also establishes a lower cost basis for Twitter moving forward.
Their auditors may have expected a write down anyway, so doesn’t hurt to get ahead of it.
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 5:06 pm
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