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re: Fed rate hike or pause?
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:26 pm to Bard
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:26 pm to Bard
quote:I'm not sure why you think he should do something more dramatic, given that Core PCE was 4.7% YOY and trending downward. So interest rates now have a positive net yield with this hike (maybe even before given we're nearly 2 months behind the January data).
Nope. The problem is Powell doesn't have the balls of Volcker, he's afraid of ripping the band-aid off so he's doing the slow-pull method.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:28 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
given that Core PCE was 4.7%
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:36 pm to AllDayEveryDay
It was.
Personal Consumption Expenditures Price Index, Excluding Food and Energy
Personal Consumption Expenditures Price Index, Excluding Food and Energy
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:37 pm to buckeye_vol
Sounds like hawkish hike lol. Dude is fixed on getting 2%.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:37 pm to I Love Bama
True. It's all about expectations
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:38 pm to buckeye_vol
Your link goes to my post.
Lol that you believe that calculation.
Lol that you believe that calculation.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:42 pm to AllDayEveryDay
quote:Fixed. The stupid grammerly chrome add-on automatically copied highlighted text.
Your link goes to my post.
quote:Yes, because anyone with even the simplest understanding of the data would believe it. I guess that’s not you though, but there is always time to learn.
Lol that you believe that calculation.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:44 pm to AllDayEveryDay
quote:are you saying the calculation changed from last year to this year?
Lol that you believe that calculation.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:52 pm to castorinho
I'm saying an administration that's consistently revised the definition of recession to avoid negative publicity can't be trusted to give out correct information.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:56 pm to AllDayEveryDay
quote:They didn’t revise the definition of recession.
I'm saying an administration that's consistently revised the definition of recession to avoid negative publicity can't be trusted to give out correct information.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 2:01 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
given that Core PCE was 4.7% YOY and trending downward.
Not trending downward MoM
Posted on 3/22/23 at 2:02 pm to buckeye_vol
They sure tried
Guys that metric everyone uses isn't what we're going to use. Ok?
Everyone says two months, but we aren't, because there's no set definition, so we can define it how we want! Nanny nanny boo boo!
Guys that metric everyone uses isn't what we're going to use. Ok?
Everyone says two months, but we aren't, because there's no set definition, so we can define it how we want! Nanny nanny boo boo!
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 3/22/23 at 2:07 pm to AllDayEveryDay
quote:It's neither the "official" definition of a recession, and everybody doesn't uses it, since the economists who, you know, study these things, don't use it. It's a "rule of thumb," and it's typically associated with recessions. But it also would have inaccurately identified the start dates of multiple recessions, because it doesn't take into account other important things like unemployment.
Guys that metric everyone uses isn't what we're going to use. Ok?
Also if there was a recession, then the fed would likely cut rates. Is that what you wanted them to do? Cut rates in 2022, or at the very least, stop increasing them?
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 3/22/23 at 2:22 pm to buckeye_vol
I don't need a vet to tell me a horse has a broken leg. I can look at the horse and tell it has a broken leg.
I can look at two negative GDP quarters and tell an economy isn't doing so hot. Like everyone. I don't need a governing body trying to baffle me with bullshite and a high powered spin machine.
A handful of people knew who the NBER was prior to 2022, now they're the alpha and the omega of recessions. Just speaks to the hubris inside the beltway.
Hell yes, they should have started years ago.
I can look at two negative GDP quarters and tell an economy isn't doing so hot. Like everyone. I don't need a governing body trying to baffle me with bullshite and a high powered spin machine.
A handful of people knew who the NBER was prior to 2022, now they're the alpha and the omega of recessions. Just speaks to the hubris inside the beltway.
Hell yes, they should have started years ago.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 3/22/23 at 2:28 pm to AllDayEveryDay
quote:Yet then you saw 3.2% and 2.6% the following 2 quarters, and 6.3%, 7.0%, 2.7%, and 7.0% the preceding 4 quarters, and those 6 quarters told you what?
I can look at two negative GDP quarters and tell an economy isn't doing so hot.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 4:07 pm to Pezzo
Fed raised rate ¼ point.
.25%.
25 basis points.
Can you feel the inflation curbing? Can you?
.25%.
25 basis points.
Can you feel the inflation curbing? Can you?
Posted on 3/22/23 at 4:30 pm to Odinson
Good. frick that stupid arse bank. Have no pity for them and the foolish decisions that made. Inflation is the biggest enemy facing everyone right now and turning dovish is not doing anyone favors to get it under control.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:20 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
I'm not sure why you think he should do something more dramatic, given that Core PCE was 4.7% YOY and trending downward.
I think I explained it fairly well with the band-aid analogy. It's the difference between sharp but short-lasting pain versus less pain stretched out over a long period. That's actually worse for the economy long-term because it creates more inflation because the inflation is staying higher longer.
Using Core right now is a bit blind. While energy has dropped in many instances, gasoline has increased every month since December. Food still continues to increase in many instances. While they are excluded from Core because of their volatility, their sustained high rates are driving the stickiness we see with Inflation (including Core). This is an instance where you simply cannot discount food and energy.
Regardless, PCE was up and that's the wrong direction. While it will likely be down with the next numbers, it probably won't be by much due to the stickiness factor (which also includes the shitload of money the government is spending).
Volcker had similar issues with high and very sticky inflation. It wasn't until he raised rates to roughly double inflation that they were able to finally counter the stickiness.
There are a LOT of differences between this event and that of the early 1980s as well as how inflation is gauged, but had Powell done something similar I think we would likely be much farther along in getting inflation back to 2%. Instead, he's been trying to take the slow approach and it's only had marginal success. It usually takes around a year to see the real impact of rate increases and they didn't start raising them until March of last year. The March numbers in April will begin to tell how successful his approach has been.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:38 pm to kung fu kenny
quote:
And what is an easy way to profit off this - flip some SPY options quickly?
No such thing as “easy” when trading options, but if you’d gone long on 0DTE SPY puts and held into the final hour of the session, you’d be grinning like the Cheshire Cat this evening. But if you’d bought calls and held, you’d be
Vol spiked just before the announcement, dropped off and then spiked again during the Fed speak. If you were nimble & quick, there was a fair bit of money to be made today in the options market.
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