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re: Diving deeper on Standard Lithium?

Posted on 6/22/23 at 3:03 pm to
Posted by Elusiveporpi
Below I-10
Member since Feb 2011
2577 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 3:03 pm to
My bet is the news drops Monday morning .

I have zero facts to back this up. Go Tigers
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19674 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 3:09 pm to
Huh, they must no like me, I have never been approached for that.
Posted by ev247
Member since Nov 2022
337 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 3:21 pm to
I decided to listen to Lake's investor webinar from June 19 to compare their situation with Standard's. I feel better now.

1. Lake's Kachi project (only relevant project for now) is in a remote area in Argentina. Standard's projects are much better positioned for several reasons.

2. Lake's 3 biggest hurdles to (delayed) DFS and production are water supply, reinjection sites, and energy supply. Direct quote from CEO, "...first lithium into '27, which is also primarily driven by access to power." Standard is good to go re water, reinjection, and power.

2. Lake Phase 1 timeline: DFS Dec23/EIA approval in 12 months/project approved by start25/first lithium in 27/full Phase 1 ramp up end28.
Standard Phase 1 timeline: DFS June23(?)/FID Dec23/construction 24/first lithium end25.

3. Lake is spending a lot of time courting local population to support their project. Not sure if their residents will see royalties like Standard's Arkansas residents will, but Lake's CEO only mentioned explaining to the Argentina residents that their business will be progress for the sector/environment. Clear advantage Standard.

4. Lake aiming for 80% lithium recovery rate, Standard aiming for 90%.

Tough quote from Lake CEO re why capex and opex ranges are so big:
"We're just not that well defined on the actual phase and what these phases and plants will look like."

He took over as CEO 9 months ago, and since then Lake's relationship with tech partner Lilac has been rebuilt, as it had been rocky.

Lake's plan was to build one large plant for 50k tons lithium carbonate before they decided to shift to two 25k phases of 12.5k "trains." Main reason for the change is that connection to power grid won't be necessary right away with the phased approach.
Per TechVP, they are seeing a lot of interest from independent power providers and "we need to turn that interest into plans and into commitments moving forward."

I'll be interested to compare the numbers once we have the DFS for the two companies' first projects. For now, Lake's challenges have me appreciating the position Standard is in.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 3:26 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
20060 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 5:50 pm to
quote:

What is the minimum share amount where you can lend them out?


I've got a couple stocks with 100 shares that get lent out. The returns tend to be in the 4 to 5 cent range though.

My SLI FPL was about $2300 last month.
Posted by Grassy1
Member since Oct 2009
6277 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:27 pm to
I’m enjoying your commitment to finding information and sharing it with us. Nice to have some new skin in this game.

Don’t be afraid to point out the negative indicators as well though.

Most of us in here have been in it long enough to know it’s not all roses, and have experienced the downs as much as the ups.

I have shares of Lake Resources also so I’m not exactly pulling against them, so the info you share does come with… well, whatever.

Posted by Neauxla_Tiger
Member since Feb 2015
1890 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:27 pm to
Some decent sized buys coming in at close. Would be nice to break the mid-high $4s that we seem to be hitting our heads on since October
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27389 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

Some decent sized buys coming in at close

Wouldn't be shocked to finally see a PR Monday am. Maybe we'll finally get something with some substance to give us a bump.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
20060 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 5:06 pm to
$11.3 billion pledged in US for EV battery projects

quote:

Six companies have pledged a combined $11.3 billion for lithium iron phosphate (LFP) manufacturing facilities in the United States, Reuters reported on Friday.

LFP is a chemical compound used in LFP batteries and is becoming increasingly popular in the electric vehicle (EV) market as a cheaper, better alternative to materials like nickel and cobalt. As such, several companies in the U.S. are pouring billions of dollars into LFP manufacturing for EV batteries.

Ford plans to open a Michigan LFP manufacturing facility in 2026, according to the outlet. The plant will cost $3.5 billion.

Gotion, whose China-based parent company is Gotion High Tech, says it will be proceeding with a $2.4 billion plant in Big Rapids, Michigan in 2025.


https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/113-billion-pledged-us-ev-battery-projects
Posted by ev247
Member since Nov 2022
337 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 6:10 pm to
Thanks for the encouragement, I try to clearly share what I learn as soon as I can.

Let me try to clarify my thought process around this comparison.

1. Lake's share price tanked (nearly halved) in the short term.
2. Why did the short-term tank happen?
3. Should I expect Standard to suffer from those same issues?

Conclusion: Lake's short-term stock hit is a result of their updated time and cost estimates, which are mostly due to issues with infrastructure and logistics. (This was reiterated many times throughout the webinar.)
I don't know of any infrastructure/logistics issues affecting Standard so the comparison has served its purpose for me.

I didn't mean to compare the companies' long-term prospects nor denigrate Lake. It's been pretty clear from lithium demand forecasts that a Standard win won't require a Lake loss.

Personal context: this has been my first single stock buy and I bought more than I want to keep long term. It has been my hope that a successful DFS would give me a good opportunity to shrink my position some and stop caring about short-term performance.

Thanks for prompting this clarification, and I hope it was successful.
Posted by bet84
Texas
Member since Jul 2021
103 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 10:35 am to
Tetra Technologies' News Release:

LINK

The News Release mentions that Saltwerx LLC is a subsidiary of a Fortune 500 company. Would the parent company be Exxon? I read previously that Saltwerx LLC was a subsidiary of Galvanic Energy, so I wonder if Saltwerx became a subsidiary of Exxon when Exxon acquired the leases from Galvanic Energy?
This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 10:49 am
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
3228 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 11:05 am to
quote:

Wouldn't be shocked to finally see a PR Monday am.


SLI's always been more of a Tuesday Newsday kinda company.
Posted by Grassy1
Member since Oct 2009
6277 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 11:08 am to
The last good news they broke was on a Friday.

Who knows?

Not to mention, who knows for sure it will be good?
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
20060 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 2:53 pm to
What I'd really like to see in a PR drop is something on the order of: "We have refined our process to XX% efficiency, reduced reagent costs YY% and increased production speed by ZZ per lb.

I guess I'll have to settle for another string of conference gab-fests though.
This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 8:54 pm
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
7030 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 3:36 pm to
I was hoping for a "it will cost $xxx,xxx,xxx to build and we will start construction on xx/xx/2024
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
2056 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 3:54 pm to
Pshaw, and I'd settle for a ticker change to TSLI.
Posted by Beerinthepocket
Dallas
Member since May 2011
856 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 6:29 pm to
Short selling demand has gone down. My Schwab SFLP has decreased from 16% to 15% since last week.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
20060 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 8:55 pm to
Yeah, that too, but start modular construction 2023.
Posted by CecilShortsHisPants
One Foty Fo uh uh Magnolia Screet
Member since Oct 2012
2936 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:19 am to
Boy, they really are going to wait until the last possible moment for the DFS
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4615 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 5:39 am to
Yea I’m not getting my hopes up about hearing any news this week. It’s typical SLI fashion.

They’ll probably release their report in the next few weeks stating it was completed at the end of the 1H but had to put together the info or something.
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
3228 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 7:53 am to
quote:

Short selling demand has gone down. My Schwab SFLP has decreased from 16% to 15% since last week.


Mine has gone up. Getting 20% now. Think this is the highest it's been since the run to $10+.

My guess is folks are shorting heavily, betting on a price drop if SLI misses the DFS 1H 'deadline'.

If the DFS does come before a price drop, that might mean we'll see an even more exaggerated move as people not only buy in but try to cover their short position on top of that.
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