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Crypto traders turn against each other
Posted on 6/17/22 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 6/17/22 at 5:56 pm
I wonder how many people who bought crypto understand any of this -
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With crypto prices tumbling precipitously, traders have begun increasingly turning against one another to eke out ever-elusive profits.
Many shark traders scour blockchains -- digital ledgers for recording transactions -- seeking information on other traders, particularly those with highly leveraged positions, an anonymous user known as Omakase, a contributor to the Sushi decentralized exchange, said in an interview.
The sharks then attack the positions by trying to push them into liquidation, and earning liquidation bonuses that are common in decentralized finance (DeFi), where people trade, lend and borrow from each other without intermediaries like banks.
Related strategies may have contributed to the collapse of the TerraUSD stablecoin, with shark traders making money off price arbitrage between the Curve decentralized exchange and centralized exchanges, according to Nansen, a blockchain analytics firm.
Recent troubles at crypto lender Celsius Network were exacerbated by arbitragers as well. The price of stETh token that Celsius has a large position in started trading at a large discount from Ether, to which it’s tied.
“As stETH goes down, arbitragers buy stETH and short ETH against it, sending ETH lower, which again lowers collateral values across DeFi,” effectively worsening Celsius’s position, according to a recent Arca note.
As Omakase put it, “In a downtrend environment, where yields are harder to access, what we are going to see is some actors utilize some more aggressive strategies, and that may not be necessarily good for the community.”
“The environment has become more player vs player,” Omakase added.
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With crypto prices tumbling precipitously, traders have begun increasingly turning against one another to eke out ever-elusive profits.
Many shark traders scour blockchains -- digital ledgers for recording transactions -- seeking information on other traders, particularly those with highly leveraged positions, an anonymous user known as Omakase, a contributor to the Sushi decentralized exchange, said in an interview.
The sharks then attack the positions by trying to push them into liquidation, and earning liquidation bonuses that are common in decentralized finance (DeFi), where people trade, lend and borrow from each other without intermediaries like banks.
Related strategies may have contributed to the collapse of the TerraUSD stablecoin, with shark traders making money off price arbitrage between the Curve decentralized exchange and centralized exchanges, according to Nansen, a blockchain analytics firm.
Recent troubles at crypto lender Celsius Network were exacerbated by arbitragers as well. The price of stETh token that Celsius has a large position in started trading at a large discount from Ether, to which it’s tied.
“As stETH goes down, arbitragers buy stETH and short ETH against it, sending ETH lower, which again lowers collateral values across DeFi,” effectively worsening Celsius’s position, according to a recent Arca note.
As Omakase put it, “In a downtrend environment, where yields are harder to access, what we are going to see is some actors utilize some more aggressive strategies, and that may not be necessarily good for the community.”
“The environment has become more player vs player,” Omakase added.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 6:19 pm to Eurocat
I know I’m ready for the rocket31 and WikiTiger thunderdome
Posted on 6/17/22 at 6:36 pm to Eurocat
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an anonymous user known as Omakase, a contributor to the Sushi decentralized exchange, said in an interview.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 6:41 pm to LordSaintly
Just laughing that the guys user name is Omakase and he is in the sushi exchange. Making no comment about the exchange or even the op itself.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 9:53 pm to Ross
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I know I’m ready for the rocket31 and WikiTiger thunderdome

Posted on 6/17/22 at 10:15 pm to Fat Bastard
Two men enter. One man leaves.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 11:16 pm to Eurocat
Is this any different than other market? It's a dog eat dog world in investing. You have banks financing both sides of wars, runs on banks, etc. This isn't exclusive to crypto.
Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:01 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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dog eat dog world in investing
Gotta disagree.
Trading, sure it's dog eat dog.
Actually investing? On multi year time-frames? Not really, as companies actually produce shite and can grow organically.
Crypto produces no value. It's just a pyramid scheme.
Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:35 pm to Privateer 2007
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Gotta disagree.
Trading, sure it's dog eat dog.
Actually investing? On multi year time-frames? Not really, as companies actually produce shite and can grow organically.
Crypto produces no value. It's just a pyramid scheme.
I'm going to be arrested for murder after slaughtering so many uneducated people that are stupid enough to debate something they are clueless about.
The past 200 years, time and time again people have invested their money in banks, bought bonds, cds, etc, massives companies (sears, blockbuster) and their money has gone to 0. Unable to even pull money out of their savings accounts at massive banks. This didn't happen just once, it happened over and over and over again even in large banks. It's how they sold the Federal Reserve to the American people.
Now on to crypto so I can educate you on this too. What about crypto is a ponzi scheme? What about crypto has or produces no value?

Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:38 pm to Privateer 2007
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Actually investing? On multi year time-frames? Not really, as companies actually produce shite and can grow organically.
Could you remind me again what Uber and AirBnb produce?
Posted on 6/18/22 at 2:06 pm to tenderfoot tigah
Posted on 6/18/22 at 2:11 pm to SlidellCajun
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Blockchain technology usage really isn’t in dispute is it?
How do you protect the chain without centralization or financial incentive to do so?
Posted on 6/18/22 at 2:26 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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I'm going to be arrested for murder after slaughtering so many uneducated people that are stupid enough to debate something they are clueless about.
I actually ache for you. You are so assured of your position, yet cant see past the nose on your face. Blockchain technology is the real find, not the currency. You dont need to invest in any coin to maintain a chain of transactions of all kinds, crypto or not
Youve been duped, sold that decentralization is the key. It isnt. A chain can be maintained and transparent without involving one slither of a cryptocoin
At some point blockchain will effortlessly decouple from crypto and the market will cease to exist.
Posted on 6/18/22 at 2:44 pm to RobbBobb
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Youve been duped, sold that decentralization is the key. It isnt. A chain can be maintained and transparent without involving one slither of a cryptocoin
What benefits do a centralized blockchains have over a trustless decentralized ones?
I prefer to minimize counter party risk and am against more government or corporate control.
I want nothing to do with a centralized token. It's the entire reason Bitcoin was invented. Why didn't Satoshi centralize Bitcoin if it's better?
Posted on 6/18/22 at 11:13 pm to MrSpock
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could you remind me what Uber and AirBnB produce
Which is why I don't invest in those companies.
Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:14 am to Privateer 2007
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Which is why I don't invest in those companies.
So no investing in real estate, banks, no VISA an co, no Berkshire et al?
This post was edited on 6/19/22 at 8:21 am
Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:35 am to tenderfoot tigah
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Now on to crypto so I can educate you on this too. What about crypto is a ponzi scheme? What about crypto has or produces no value?
Crypto != Blockchain
The underlying technology behind Blockchain is freely available for anyone to use. Your graphic showing companies using Blockchain technology has nothing to do with crypto assets. Companies like Visa have their own Blockchain implementations that are centralized for speed. Visa B2B is a great example of this.
Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:36 am to RobbBobb
This is a valid question, I get the technology and no question it is being used in business and has value in its technology.
With that said how does the coin fit into this?
Is it that the technology use is separate from the coins in that their value is derived from being decentralized?
A lot of people combine the two when discussing crypto values.
TTT I need your input here and don't be too disappointed in me.
For the record I am a owner of BTC and will be a buyer; I view it the same as gold. That being said I still have my reservations about it.
I also have a lot of reservations about the future of this country so there is that.
With that said how does the coin fit into this?
Is it that the technology use is separate from the coins in that their value is derived from being decentralized?
A lot of people combine the two when discussing crypto values.
TTT I need your input here and don't be too disappointed in me.
For the record I am a owner of BTC and will be a buyer; I view it the same as gold. That being said I still have my reservations about it.
I also have a lot of reservations about the future of this country so there is that.
This post was edited on 6/19/22 at 10:49 am
Posted on 6/19/22 at 9:57 am to MrSpock
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no investing in visa, real estate, banks..
Nope.
All energy, metals and mining, agriculture, chemicals etc.
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