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are they going under:

Posted on 5/15/20 at 11:43 am
Posted by vince vega
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2014
656 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 11:43 am
Hertz
Carnival
Norwegian
Spirit
American airlines
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 11:45 am to
No
No
Probably
Yes
God I hope so
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
Member since Jan 2012
4634 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 11:55 am to
quote:

God I hope so



Lol
Posted by LSUTOM07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
765 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:04 pm to
How do you say No to Carnival but probably to Norwegian? They recently secured enough funding to hold them for 18 months at their current cash burn rate with zero revenue..
Posted by A-TOWNUAFAN
Alabama
Member since May 2013
4374 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:08 pm to
What he said
Posted by Lsutiger2424
Member since Dec 2016
989 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:08 pm to
Forgot JCP
Posted by Lsutiger2424
Member since Dec 2016
989 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:09 pm to
Carnival is the cheapest option. People will eventually want to get away on vacation but can’t pay the premium for Norwegian or RCL
Posted by skewbs
Member since Apr 2008
2002 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:40 pm to
Yes,
Would be very surprised if they did,
Likely not,
No but may be bought or merged,
Very possible
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41179 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:05 pm to
per BAC analyst:

quote:

Carnival: 9 Months
Carnival recently suggested it requires $1 billion in liquidity per month to cover operating expenditures, customer refunds, debt obligations and other necessities. At this rate, with debt and equity offerings completed in April, Didora's suspect that Carnival can sustain itself through the end of 2020.

“We believe CCL could be able to reduce its monthly cash burn predominantly given potential delays in ship investments and potential debt maturities holidays, which could extend its liquidity into 2021,” they wrote in a note.

Norwegian: 18 Months
Norwegian Cruise Line is paying between $70 million and $110 million each month for debt obligations, opex and capex. The analysts also anticipate about $67 million per month in refund payouts for the rest of the year.

The company recently raised $2.4 billion in capital, which bolstered its liquidity position to about $3.8 billion, according to Bank of America estimates. This “is enough to get through at least 4Q21 in a worst case of no future cash sales,” they wrote.

Royal Caribbean: 11 Months
According to Didora's estimates, Royal Caribbean has about $3.45 billion in liquidity but is burning about $330 million in cash per month. At that rate, the company can last through the first quarter of 2021 with suspended operations.

“For RCL to extend its liquidity into late 2021 to further de-risk its liquidity profile, we estimate it would need to raise an incremental $1.5-2.0B in capital,” the analysts wrote.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24140 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:10 pm to
Crazy that the world could be without a cruise industry for a period of time. Eventually it would come back but that’s shocking speed to demolish a multi billion dollar industry.
Posted by truthbetold
Member since Aug 2008
7631 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:13 pm to
should add retail

JCP
Macys
Gap

and tons and tons of REIT's
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40848 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

Hertz - YES
Carnival - NO
Norwegian - NO
Spirit - NO
American airlines - YES


Obviously I am assuming Chapter 11, these companies will still be operating in the future.
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6211 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 3:04 pm to
CCL and UAL will file bankruptcy by end of q4.
Hertz is done.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 3:07 pm to
quote:

Carnival is the cheapest option. People will eventually want to get away on vacation but can’t pay the premium for Norwegian or RCL


dumbest way to invest in the world

no one knows the future of cruise lines. its a completely unstable industry with zero sings of a consistent future moving forward
Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
3728 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 3:12 pm to
i dont want American go go under, getting so close to million mile status lol.

rest i dont care about.

Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 7:21 pm to





Last week Carnival announced that some of its cruises could resume in August. Since that announcement, the Cruise Planners representative says, Carnival bookings shot up 600% compared to the previous three days before news of August Carnival trips were announced. However, what’s really surprising is that Cruise Planners says that August 2020 bookings are up 200% over August 2019 bookings—back when no one had any worries about being stuck on “death ships.”
Posted by Kraut Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
4503 posts
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:45 am to
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This post was edited on 11/8/20 at 4:22 am
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
32673 posts
Posted on 5/16/20 at 10:26 am to
quote:

Crazy that the world could be without a cruise industry for a period of time. Eventually it would come back but that’s shocking speed to demolish a multi billion dollar industry.

I don’t see how this is realistic. Maybe one of the three will fold but there are too many creditors with major stakes in those billion dollar ships. They can’t afford to trash their loans. They’ll have to be patient.
Posted by SulphursFinest
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2015
8735 posts
Posted on 5/17/20 at 9:11 am to
Norwegian is in a better spot than the others.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13624 posts
Posted on 5/17/20 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

Hertz is done.


You think Icahn is going to let his company go under without providing financing? I know he’s between a rock and a hard spot, but it seems like he’s got to pay more or lose everything he has in the company, which is what, 38%?
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