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Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:34 pm to whiskey over ice
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You’re in the top 5% of net worth in the US and you’re asking if you’ll be ok. Definitely a brag thread
Wrong. I didn’t ask if I would be “ok”, as in simply having all of my basic needs met. Obviously I would be ok in that sense.
I asked if I could “retire comfortably”. Which generally means being able to maintain the same(or better) lifestyle after retirement, as you had while working.
So it was a legitimate question.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:51 pm to Lgrnwd
Why not ask someone who does this for a living?
Even better, why not ask a few of them?
I can’t imagine planning to retire at 53 without getting a handful of professional opinions on the topic. You have 8 years to plan appropriately for things like health insurance and tax mitigation and you’re planning to stay retired for 30-40 years - paying someone to structure a proper plan is worth it, starting now.
Even better, why not ask a few of them?
I can’t imagine planning to retire at 53 without getting a handful of professional opinions on the topic. You have 8 years to plan appropriately for things like health insurance and tax mitigation and you’re planning to stay retired for 30-40 years - paying someone to structure a proper plan is worth it, starting now.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:58 pm to slackster
Makes for good message board fodder.
But, I don’t think we have a good basis of facts to make a clean assessment.
But, I don’t think we have a good basis of facts to make a clean assessment.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:13 pm to lynxcat
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Makes for good message board fodder.
Yeah I get that, which I appreciate, but every one of his posts in this thread read like a D-I-Yer who plans to go it alone.
That’s fine for some people, but many, many people don’t know what they don’t know.
Asset location, tax mitigation, etc are huge when talking about a 30-40 year drawdown, yet the OP plans to just eat the early withdrawal penalty? The early withdrawal penalty shouldn’t even come into play with proper planning over the next 8 years.
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But, I don’t think we have a good basis of facts to make a clean assessment.
We’re missing a lot.
Cars are paid off, cool, but is he keeping them for 45 years?

Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:37 pm to Lgrnwd
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3 million in 401k, house and vehicles paid off (debt free), $1500 a month pension, $300,000 in savings/liquid accounts, 50% employer paid to health insurance.
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Retirement age 53,
It's very doable but how will you get by between age 53 and 59.5 without taking penalties on your 401k withdrawal? I guess you could live off that $300k if you want. That's a young age to retire without doing anything though (just my opinion)
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:38 pm to Lgrnwd
How did you get $3m in 401k at 45?
Roughly $20k year for 25
You must have got some homeruns
Roughly $20k year for 25
You must have got some homeruns
Posted on 11/14/23 at 10:06 pm to thelawnwranglers
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How did you get $3m in 401k at 45?
My guess is he has around $1.5mm in it at 45 and is making some rosy projections through age 53.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 10:07 pm to Ostrich
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It's very doable but how will you get by between age 53 and 59.5 without taking penalties on your 401k withdrawal?
Can be avoided with possible Roth conversions, a 72T, or saving properly in taxable accounts.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 11:34 pm to Lgrnwd
Assuming you wait to draw social security and wait until you are 59.5 to draw from your 401k with penalty; the question is can you live off ~138k per year. That’s 4% SWR and the pension. Only you can answer that
Posted on 11/15/23 at 3:38 am to Sterling Archer
I wouldn’t necessarily count on a 401K projected balance of $3 million.
In 2008,wife and my 401k balances dropped by almost 50%.
Took a few years to get back to pre 2008 balances,that is with us continuing our 15% contribution.
After Trump was elected our balances nearly doubled to $2 million.
Now under Biden and me being required to take RMD’s we’re down 10% but neither of us making contributions.
In 2008,wife and my 401k balances dropped by almost 50%.
Took a few years to get back to pre 2008 balances,that is with us continuing our 15% contribution.
After Trump was elected our balances nearly doubled to $2 million.
Now under Biden and me being required to take RMD’s we’re down 10% but neither of us making contributions.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:16 am to LSUA 75
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Now under Biden and me being required to take RMD’s we’re down 10% but neither of us making contributions.
Has a lot more to do with your likely bond allocation in the lowest rate environment in history and a lot less to do with Biden.

Posted on 11/15/23 at 7:42 am to lynxcat
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How do people get these sums in 401K when there is a max of ~$23K a year? Two HHs contrib
Sometimes I wonder if they aren’t actually referring to a true 401k but maybe instead a profit sharing plan.
Max for profit sharing plan is like 66k per year.
Also people who work for government entities can put away a ton in retirement accounts. They have access to multiple account. I know people who do a like 3 different account to get up to around 90k per year put away. It never made sense to me that depending on the type of entity you work for, the amount you can put away for retirement can very 4 fold.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 7:43 am
Posted on 11/15/23 at 8:54 am to GeauxTigers123
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They have access to multiple account. I know people who do a like 3 different account to get up to around 90k per year put away. It never made sense to me that depending on the type of entity you work for, the amount you can put away for retirement can very 4 fold.
If I'm not mistaken, a company can profit share into someone's 401k. You just can't go over the $67,500 amount for total contributions. So $22,500 for employee and $45,000 from employer.
I thought the most you could put away, Pre-tax, was $67,500 this year. My wife is in a similar boat. She's a higher education teacher. She has pension, 403b, and a 457.
$90,000 seems really high.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 9:19 am to slackster
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quote:
How did you get $3m in 401k at 45?
My guess is he has around $1.5mm in it at 45 and is making some rosy projections through age 53.
You think an 8% average market return is rosy?
I get it. There is never a guarantee.
And I get it. The annual sequential order of returns has a huge influence.
market exercise
Pull up your 401k benchmarks. How long does it actually take for you yo double your balances?
If you can go back 23 years, I think you would surprise yourself.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 9:41 am to Lgrnwd
$3MM in a 401k is impressive at 45 or 53, for an individual.
Having said that, you can consider “retiring” at 53 but working part time or consulting until you’re 59 1/2 to avoid the early withdrawal penalty. It seems you are a good planner and will have enough to still have fun in your 50s.
Having said that, you can consider “retiring” at 53 but working part time or consulting until you’re 59 1/2 to avoid the early withdrawal penalty. It seems you are a good planner and will have enough to still have fun in your 50s.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 9:43 am to meansonny
Voya apparently sucks at historical data, but on YNAB I can see that from Jan 2017 to Jan 2020 I doubled my balance. I have yet to double my balance from Jan. 2020. I am about $73,000 away.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 10:00 am to lynxcat
quote:When I switched jobs, my 401K seeded a Rollover IRA where I could invest in whatever funds I wanted. If I was forced to stay within a 401K with non-leveraged funds then I wouldn't have near as much as I have now.
How do people get these sums in 401K when there is a max of ~$23K a year?
TLDR:
1) Save as much and as early as possible in your 401K
2) Quit your job and relocate the money where you have real control over stock selection
3) Profit
Posted on 11/15/23 at 10:07 am to meansonny
quote:I'm averaging 19.5% per year over the past 6.87 years.
You think an 8% average market return is rosy?
Here's the rollercoaster ride:
2017 23.9%
2018 -2.8%
2019 66.6%
2020 58.6%
2021 35.9%
2022 -48.7%
2023 YTD 67.5%
Posted on 11/15/23 at 10:08 am to Lgrnwd
It’s really hard to say without knowing average monthly expenses
In general, I’d say take your annual expenses including taxes, and health costs, and multiply x 25. At 53, that multiple is too low so I’d say 35.
If the result is less than the amount you have saved then you “can” do it but best to be conservative with these things
In general, I’d say take your annual expenses including taxes, and health costs, and multiply x 25. At 53, that multiple is too low so I’d say 35.
If the result is less than the amount you have saved then you “can” do it but best to be conservative with these things
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