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An IMHO excellent piece on bitcoin
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:29 am
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:29 am
By Felix Salmon Some of the comments here are useful as well.
It highlights the main point I have tried to make, namely that bitcoin's value is mostly either as a store of value for people in countries with bad financial systems, or as a medium of exchange for people who for usually criminal reasons don't want to use dollars. Perfectly legit if you are in either group.
But it talks much about other aspects worth reading about, pro and con.
It highlights the main point I have tried to make, namely that bitcoin's value is mostly either as a store of value for people in countries with bad financial systems, or as a medium of exchange for people who for usually criminal reasons don't want to use dollars. Perfectly legit if you are in either group.
But it talks much about other aspects worth reading about, pro and con.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:30 am to foshizzle
Here's another really good article from the New Yorker yesterday: https://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/04/the-future-of-bitcoin.html
Posted on 4/3/13 at 11:59 am to WikiTiger
Do you know why there is no way to short bitcoin? Because it's a sure thing to go down and nobody wants to be on the losing end.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:06 pm to foshizzle
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It highlights the main point I have tried to make, namely that bitcoin's value is mostly either as a store of value for people in countries with bad financial systems
LINK?
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:10 pm to foshizzle
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By Felix Salmon
Good article, very fair, very rational for the most part, but he goes off the deep end when it comes to deflation. Of course, I understand that there are many differing opinions in the economics community when it comes to deflation, but the Austrian school typically welcomes it. Deflation, IMO, is a good thing. It leads to more liberty.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:11 pm to Broke
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Do you know why there is no way to short bitcoin?
There are ways. I've posted a few sites on here in the past. I don't use the sites, I don't remember what they are called, and I don't vouch for them. But you can probably go through some old bitcoin threads to see where I mentioned them.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:21 pm to WikiTiger
quote:Know how I know you're an idiot?
Deflation, IMO, is a good thing. It leads to more liberty.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:22 pm to foshizzle
That's a very good article, foshizz. Thanks for posting it. I learned a few things about bitcoin and I also had some of my opinions confirmed by it.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:23 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:He posted the link in his OP. Click on it.
LINK?
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:27 pm to LSURussian
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Know how I know you're an idiot?
cueing the :disgonbegoodgif:
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:29 pm to LSURussian
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Know how I know you're an idiot?
Why insult? Seems unnecessary.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:31 pm to Meauxjeaux
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quote:
It highlights the main point I have tried to make, namely that bitcoin's value is mostly either as a store of value for people in countries with bad financial systems
LINK?
I've made this point in other threads here if that's what you're asking. The classic definition of money is that it serves as a store of value or as a medium of exchange. Dollars are useful as the latter (which is why we don't need to worry about even halfway predictable levels of inflation). Bitcoins try to fulfill both functions, or so the article argues.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:31 pm to Fat Bastard
I cannot fathom someone who otherwise appears to have some technical competence actually believing that deflation leads to more liberty. All we have to do is examine Japan over the past 20 years.
They have been in a deflationary spiral all that time and they are no more liberated now than they were when it started. And they are a hellava lot more poorer than they were.
Their standard of living is lower now than it was in 1990.
They have been in a deflationary spiral all that time and they are no more liberated now than they were when it started. And they are a hellava lot more poorer than they were.
Their standard of living is lower now than it was in 1990.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:32 pm to WikiTiger
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Deflation, IMO, is a good thing. It leads to more liberty.
As the article points out, this is only good if you happen to hoard your currency. It is very bad otherwise.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:34 pm to Dan
quote:Facts are not insults.....
Why insult? Seems unnecessary.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 12:39 pm to foshizzle
quote:Correct. Because if everyone, or even if a significant percentage of the population hoards their currency, commerce screeches to a halt and we go into a prolonged economic depression.
As the article points out, this is only good if you happen to hoard your currency. It is very bad otherwise.
That is exactly what happened in the Great Recession of 2008 through mid-2009. People stopped spending and started saving their money at historically high rates in the U.S. We actually had several quarters of deflation in the U.S. as a result.
And I sure don't recall people celebrating how much more liberty they had when it happened...

Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:15 pm to LSURussian
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LINK?
He posted the link in his OP. Click on it.
You misread my request. I bolded the part of the post I'm asking about.
I'm looking for a link to a foshizzle post where he argues that Bitcoin is a good store of value for countries with bad financial systems.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:16 pm to LSURussian
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Their standard of living is lower now than it was in 1990.
So is ours, with inflation.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't I suppose.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:20 pm to Meauxjeaux
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I'm looking for a link to a foshizzle post where he argues that Bitcoin is a good store of value for countries with bad financial systems.
I don't have a link, but I think it was just last week in a bitcoin thread where foshizzle was arguing that bitcoin is a good thing for people in countries like Cyprus or other countries with a kleptocratic government.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 1:27 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:Ah, sorry. I did misunderstand what you were asking.
I'm looking for a link to a foshizzle post where he argues that Bitcoin is a good store of value for countries with bad financial systems.
quote:Since 1990?
Their standard of living is lower now than it was in 1990.
So is ours, with inflation.
You're gonna have to give me some supporting link to that. The '90's in the U.S. was a booming economy which continued up to the dot com bust right after Y2K. And then 9/11 happened which created a short and shallow recession due to people's fears. But the U.S. economy recovered from that up until the 2008 Great Recession.
I sure don't have the perception that the standard of living in the U.S. is lower now than it was in 1990. It might be lower now than it was in 2007, but 1990?? I don't think so.
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