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re: Am I a pussy for not investing in individual stocks?

Posted on 7/20/25 at 6:42 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135856 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 6:42 pm to
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it’s literally impossible to get ahead without investing with leverage
If that's the case, I'd guess 80% of the posters on this board have done the impossible.
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1605 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 7:46 pm to
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If that's the case, I'd guess 80% of the posters on this board have done the impossible.


You think 80% have never had a mortgage, student loans, or business loans? That everyone’s paying cash up front? Come on, now.
This post was edited on 7/20/25 at 7:48 pm
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
19339 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 8:04 pm to
This is America, you don’t need a reason to be a pussy.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135856 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 8:26 pm to
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All jokes aside it’s literally impossible to get ahead without investing with leverage. Whether that’s stocks, bonds ... or some other off-the-wall asset this is non-negotiable
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If that's the case, I'd guess 80% of the posters on this board have done the impossible.
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You think 80% have never had a mortgage, student loans, or business loans? That everyone’s paying cash up front? Come on, now.
Well those goalposts certainly moved.



Posted by PurpleSingularity
Member since Dec 2017
2619 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 8:43 pm to
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Am I a pussy


Yes….I don’t remember the context of the question, but yes
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1605 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 8:45 pm to
They haven’t moved at all. I’m asking you how often you expect people to accomplish these major life accomplishments, what most people would term “getting ahead”, without the use of these common forms of leverage.

I know the Money Talk is full of outliers, but I don’t believe even they have won at such a clip as 80% never needing or using these tools.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
18831 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:00 pm to
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They haven’t moved at all. I’m asking you how often you expect people to accomplish these major life accomplishments, what most people would term “getting ahead”, without the use of these common forms of leverage. I know the Money Talk is full of outliers, but I don’t believe even they have won at such a clip as 80% never needing or using these tools.


I did not go to college and the only money I have ever borrowed was for a mortgage and cars. Hell I didn't really start saving until 32 but I should have enough money to retire early at this point. Just 2 W-2 employees with a good 401k match can go a long way. I’d be way ahead of where I am now if I would have started at 20 when I started with the company I’m still with 23 years later.
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
89538 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:38 pm to
quote:

quote:
Am I a pussy



Yes….I don’t remember the context of the question, but yes


Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20618 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:54 pm to
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Straying away and testing your risk appetite can be a very expensive lesson to learn


Listen to this OP.

My introduction to individual stocks was GameStop at 350/share and then Recaf when it was supposed to blast off (it didn’t).

I have a few individual stocks with pretty meaningless money nowadays and I just watch them for fun. All of my real investments are in ETFs and will stay that way.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135856 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 5:03 am to
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They haven’t moved at all. I’m asking you how often you expect people to accomplish these major life accomplishments, what most people would term “getting ahead”
Don't be a goofball.

In a thread about individual stock investment, you inserted "it’s literally impossible to get ahead without investing with leverage whether that’s stocks, bonds ... or some other off-the-wall asset."

That is 'literally' false. It is certainly false regarding "investing in individual stocks."

TBF, you did also include real estate in your post. RE absolutely can be profitable as a leveraged asset, and often is. But that really has nothing to do with the OP.

You then implied business loans, or student loans are leveraged investments. They aren't. They are expenses. You can argue nuances in that regard. But factually for example, far from "getting ahead," student loans often are an impediment to more productive investment. Business loans are +/- ITR depending on reliable enterprise growth characteristics.

Let's put this in terms of the OP though. In terms of the OP, "getting ahead" is not about leverage. It's silly to even go there. Getting ahead is about understanding one's capacity, and setting goals within that capacity. Then in pursuit, it's about maintaining discipline required to attain the goals.

If the OP lacks the time, resources, or discipline to reasonably expect he could match or outperform ETFs by investing in individual stocks, then he should stick with ETFs. It has nothing to do with being "a pussy." It has to do with simple, rational, self-understanding.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13775 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 6:54 am to
When I worked for public accounting, there was so much stuff that was restricted that I couldn't buy, I just used index funds. They tracked every single trade you made. Now I dabble in it, but a negligible amount.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
19322 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:03 am to
That’s a fine approach IMO. I have a block of play money in individual stocks and although close I’m not beating the S&P.

The epiphany for me was realizing that the traditional allocation to bond funds was questionable at best. They’re almost 100% correlated to the stock market so the concept of them providing ballast doesn’t work unless you buy individual bonds and hold to duration.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52241 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:22 am to
I am nearing retirement age, but will likely only cut down on work in about three years…full-stop retirement is unlikely.

A few years ago I determined I was , in my opinion, underinvested in the market. I have increased investment over the last four years in technology , Bitcoin, and AI stocks. In short, I decided I needed individual stock exposure in high growth areas to appreciate (hopefully) accelerated returns.

I’m very pleased with the individual stock gains I’ve seen. I hope my luck holds out as adjustments are needed in the future.
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 7:43 am
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23521 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:24 am to
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My introduction to individual stocks was GameStop at 350/share and then Recaf when it was supposed to blast off (it didn’t).

Doesn't sound like you did any research. Sounds like you just followed a hype train. Research takes time and is a differentiator.
High conviction followed by heavy research is a must for the individual investor.
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 8:25 am
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