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re: Am I a pussy for not investing in individual stocks?
Posted on 7/20/25 at 6:42 pm to Decisions
Posted on 7/20/25 at 6:42 pm to Decisions
quote:If that's the case, I'd guess 80% of the posters on this board have done the impossible.
it’s literally impossible to get ahead without investing with leverage
Posted on 7/20/25 at 7:46 pm to NC_Tigah
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If that's the case, I'd guess 80% of the posters on this board have done the impossible.
You think 80% have never had a mortgage, student loans, or business loans? That everyone’s paying cash up front? Come on, now.
This post was edited on 7/20/25 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 7/20/25 at 8:04 pm to FAT SEXY
This is America, you don’t need a reason to be a pussy.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 8:26 pm to Decisions
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All jokes aside it’s literally impossible to get ahead without investing with leverage. Whether that’s stocks, bonds ... or some other off-the-wall asset this is non-negotiable
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If that's the case, I'd guess 80% of the posters on this board have done the impossible.
quote:Well those goalposts certainly moved.
You think 80% have never had a mortgage, student loans, or business loans? That everyone’s paying cash up front? Come on, now.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 8:43 pm to FAT SEXY
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Am I a pussy
Yes….I don’t remember the context of the question, but yes
Posted on 7/20/25 at 8:45 pm to NC_Tigah
They haven’t moved at all. I’m asking you how often you expect people to accomplish these major life accomplishments, what most people would term “getting ahead”, without the use of these common forms of leverage.
I know the Money Talk is full of outliers, but I don’t believe even they have won at such a clip as 80% never needing or using these tools.
I know the Money Talk is full of outliers, but I don’t believe even they have won at such a clip as 80% never needing or using these tools.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:00 pm to Decisions
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They haven’t moved at all. I’m asking you how often you expect people to accomplish these major life accomplishments, what most people would term “getting ahead”, without the use of these common forms of leverage. I know the Money Talk is full of outliers, but I don’t believe even they have won at such a clip as 80% never needing or using these tools.
I did not go to college and the only money I have ever borrowed was for a mortgage and cars. Hell I didn't really start saving until 32 but I should have enough money to retire early at this point. Just 2 W-2 employees with a good 401k match can go a long way. I’d be way ahead of where I am now if I would have started at 20 when I started with the company I’m still with 23 years later.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:38 pm to PurpleSingularity
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quote:
Am I a pussy
Yes….I don’t remember the context of the question, but yes
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:54 pm to The Egg
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Straying away and testing your risk appetite can be a very expensive lesson to learn
Listen to this OP.
My introduction to individual stocks was GameStop at 350/share and then Recaf when it was supposed to blast off (it didn’t).
I have a few individual stocks with pretty meaningless money nowadays and I just watch them for fun. All of my real investments are in ETFs and will stay that way.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 5:03 am to Decisions
quote:Don't be a goofball.
They haven’t moved at all. I’m asking you how often you expect people to accomplish these major life accomplishments, what most people would term “getting ahead”
In a thread about individual stock investment, you inserted "it’s literally impossible to get ahead without investing with leverage whether that’s stocks, bonds ... or some other off-the-wall asset."
That is 'literally' false. It is certainly false regarding "investing in individual stocks."
TBF, you did also include real estate in your post. RE absolutely can be profitable as a leveraged asset, and often is. But that really has nothing to do with the OP.
You then implied business loans, or student loans are leveraged investments. They aren't. They are expenses. You can argue nuances in that regard. But factually for example, far from "getting ahead," student loans often are an impediment to more productive investment. Business loans are +/- ITR depending on reliable enterprise growth characteristics.
Let's put this in terms of the OP though. In terms of the OP, "getting ahead" is not about leverage. It's silly to even go there. Getting ahead is about understanding one's capacity, and setting goals within that capacity. Then in pursuit, it's about maintaining discipline required to attain the goals.
If the OP lacks the time, resources, or discipline to reasonably expect he could match or outperform ETFs by investing in individual stocks, then he should stick with ETFs. It has nothing to do with being "a pussy." It has to do with simple, rational, self-understanding.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 6:54 am to FAT SEXY
When I worked for public accounting, there was so much stuff that was restricted that I couldn't buy, I just used index funds. They tracked every single trade you made. Now I dabble in it, but a negligible amount.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:03 am to FAT SEXY
That’s a fine approach IMO. I have a block of play money in individual stocks and although close I’m not beating the S&P.
The epiphany for me was realizing that the traditional allocation to bond funds was questionable at best. They’re almost 100% correlated to the stock market so the concept of them providing ballast doesn’t work unless you buy individual bonds and hold to duration.
The epiphany for me was realizing that the traditional allocation to bond funds was questionable at best. They’re almost 100% correlated to the stock market so the concept of them providing ballast doesn’t work unless you buy individual bonds and hold to duration.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:22 am to SquatchDawg
I am nearing retirement age, but will likely only cut down on work in about three years…full-stop retirement is unlikely.
A few years ago I determined I was , in my opinion, underinvested in the market. I have increased investment over the last four years in technology , Bitcoin, and AI stocks. In short, I decided I needed individual stock exposure in high growth areas to appreciate (hopefully) accelerated returns.
I’m very pleased with the individual stock gains I’ve seen. I hope my luck holds out as adjustments are needed in the future.
A few years ago I determined I was , in my opinion, underinvested in the market. I have increased investment over the last four years in technology , Bitcoin, and AI stocks. In short, I decided I needed individual stock exposure in high growth areas to appreciate (hopefully) accelerated returns.
I’m very pleased with the individual stock gains I’ve seen. I hope my luck holds out as adjustments are needed in the future.
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 7:43 am
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:24 am to StringedInstruments
quote:Doesn't sound like you did any research. Sounds like you just followed a hype train. Research takes time and is a differentiator.
My introduction to individual stocks was GameStop at 350/share and then Recaf when it was supposed to blast off (it didn’t).
High conviction followed by heavy research is a must for the individual investor.
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 8:25 am
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