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re: Am I a pussy for not investing in individual stocks?

Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:26 am to
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
10020 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:26 am to
You are fine. Fidelity did a study and found the portfolios that did the best were abandoned accounts. Just get your money in the market and leave it alone.
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
91114 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:45 am to
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Much like gambling, I don’t have the time or the interest to constantly browse for edges.


you have to want it bad enough. learn. study. i much rather trade futures than stocks because there is way less to account for. you study charts and technical/fundamental indicators. u can use a system in trading just like systems in sports gambling. depends on goals.
This post was edited on 7/19/25 at 10:58 am
Posted by Rick9Plus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2020
2501 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:50 am to
I tried individual stocks but the volatility made me nervous. Plus i had some big losers like UNH and ETHE.

I do a Boglehead approach but i do “live on the edge” in that i always keep a few thousand in the “cash” part of my non-tax-advantaged account to dump in during times like April.
This post was edited on 7/19/25 at 10:51 am
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
91114 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:54 am to
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Scared money don't make money


yup.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
40423 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 11:06 am to
you ask the day after I just sold all hobby stocks. it was fun but you have to watch them daily and i didn't have time for it.


NAK
SLI
DARE
EBS
VG
UEC
ATHOF
LWLG



Did well but I want to trust my FA and get back to this trade show im at.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
78366 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 11:12 am to
VUG and VOO are the two very best for long term investing in my opinion.

VTSAX and VFIAX are also strong and viable ETFs.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
59225 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 11:49 am to
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Plus i had some big losers like UNH

It was pretty obvious to short unh after the ceo got shot. I really can’t think of a scenario where a ceo getting shot would make the stock go up.


It’s like if the guy was doing a good job or even an ok job getting losing him would be bad. If he was a bad ceo they would’ve fired him
Posted by Rick9Plus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2020
2501 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 12:40 pm to
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It was pretty obvious to short unh after the ceo got shot.


I sold what i could but a lot was tied up in a ESPP with rules and such that would have given me a penalty. But that penalty would have been worth it. Who would have guessed it would go to less than half?
Posted by Boomer Rick
Member since Apr 2021
371 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 12:49 pm to
VTSAX and VFIAX are mutual funds, not etfs.
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1639 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 3:37 pm to
Be a real man and YOLO into meme stocks and shitcoins.

All jokes aside it’s literally impossible to get ahead without investing with leverage. Whether that’s stocks, bonds, real estate, or some other off-the-wall asset this is non-negotiable. El Gaucho was spouting more truth than crap in his post.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
20148 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 4:24 pm to
Subscribe to crisis investing and thank me later.
Posted by Grinder
Member since Nov 2007
2685 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 6:58 pm to
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All jokes aside it’s literally impossible to get ahead without investing with leverage.


This is 100% incorrect.
Posted by TheWalrus
Land of the Hogs
Member since Dec 2012
47450 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 8:15 pm to
Last individual stock I bought was ZOM and I’ve got a $1.25 left
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1639 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:31 am to
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This is 100% incorrect.


By all means, then. Lay out the golden path to show me how you get ahead without any leverage when inflation consistently outstrips the average man’s wage gains and robs savings. A dca’d ETF will AT BEST keep you from losing ground. You can’t build wealth without borrowing. The trick is not getting out over your skis.
Posted by NBR_Exile
Houston via Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
2080 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 12:09 pm to
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I've always only done a DCA approach into a basket of ETFs.


This is the way. Yes it’s fun to try to catch the next big thing. Slow and steady always wins. I was around for the dot.com era. It was awesome to watch a company go up 10-20 points in a day but could back down the next. I carved out a relatively small amount to play with. I barely broke even. Most of our money went into low cost ETFs and I’m up big time. I did buy Apple many years ago and I’m up about 1700%. My cost basis is around $4.

Bottom line is to just pump your saving ls into the whole market and reap the rewards. Take a gamble if you want. It may work out.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
52540 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 2:09 pm to
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A dca’d ETF will AT BEST keep you from losing ground.


Research what a low cost s&p500 fund has returned and compare it to inflation.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
11185 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 3:21 pm to
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. I carved out a relatively small amount to play with. I barely broke even.

This is what I’m doing now. Started with around 5k, and over the course of a year have set aside 20k for which I’m up 48 pct by dabbling in bunch of random stocks. Mostly AI.
Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
26397 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 3:54 pm to
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By all means, then. Lay out the golden path to show me how you get ahead without any leverage when inflation consistently outstrips the average man’s wage gains and robs savings. A dca’d ETF will AT BEST keep you from losing ground. You can’t build wealth without borrowing. The trick is not getting out over your skis.
What??? If the average couple saves 15-20% of their income (401ks, maxed Roth IRA etc) starting at 25 years old they will multi-millionaires by retirement age.

I imagine a lot of posters here have significant net worths without any leverage.
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1639 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 4:57 pm to
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Research what a low cost s&p500 fund has returned and compare it to inflation.


I suppose you believe in Santa Claus as well, eh? The inflation stats are garbage and have been garbage for a long time now. Most of the nominal growth we’ve been seeing in the economy for the last several years has just been inflation. Very little productivity gains.

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If the average couple saves 15-20% of their income (401ks, maxed Roth IRA etc) starting at 25 years old they will multi-millionaires by retirement age.


And so what if they are? Those are nominal numbers. It won’t be worth what it is today. Not even close.

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I imagine a lot of posters here have significant net worths without any leverage.


Your average American who happens to have any significant net worth has a large portion of that net worth tied up in primary home equity. How have most people afforded to get one of those for the last several decades? Mortgages (leverage). The majority of multimillionaires made their money in real estate investing. Almost all of them used at least some borrowed money.

Let’s go a step further and discuss less obvious leverage. If a man takes out student loans to go to college and then medical school to break into a high earning field did he use leverage? If a small business owner takes out loans for new equipment, increased payroll, and upscaled marketing did he use leverage?

Almost no significant net worths are made without leverage. This idea of saving your way to prosperity is a lie. Especially with most modern salaries.
Posted by Doctor Strangelove
Member since Feb 2018
3430 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 5:15 pm to
Start small and get a feel for sectors you understand or feel confident have lots of room for growth, (i.e. AI). Learn patience and resolve to hang in there and buy when others are panicking. Take bigger bites as you learn and never try to time the market, it’s a losers game.
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