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Advice about leasing a car?

Posted on 4/14/14 at 7:57 pm
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15174 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 7:57 pm
I asked this on the Off-topic board and didn't get the response I hoped for.

Anyways, does anyone have any advice? Know someone who works at a dealership or work at one yourself?

Anything I should say or ask for? Any tips on how to get the best price/deal/etc?

I am interested in acquiring a high-end large luxury vehicle.


If all you've come to add is "don't lease" then don't bother posting. Actually explain your point of view longer than just that phrase.

Thanks in advance.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17252 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:02 pm to
What advantage do you see in leasing vs buying?
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15174 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:15 pm to
For me buying is better when purchasing cheaper family type or cars with great durability/longevity. Financing say a Toyota Camry is a great idea because the car is known to have long life and will last well after you're done paying for it with not so expensive upkeep.

Leasing however in my opinion is many for more expensive cars which are built for durability and have expensive upkeep. Financing one of those cars for me is stupid because those types of cars depreciate quicker while your monthly payment won't for the 48, 60, 72, etc amount of months you'll have to pay them. A lot of the time before fully paying for them you're out of warranty and the car is already giving problems because they are built for performance/luxury and not longevity/durability.

This is my opinion on that matter...
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12604 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:46 pm to
That doesn't describe an advantage . . . . . that just explains why someone would make a stupid decision to drive a car that will not be reliable.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15174 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:48 pm to
Yes, because reliability is the only reason to drive a car.

SMH poors.
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8362 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:58 pm to
I buy used for myself but lease new cars for my wife. Reason being is I drive it till it dies or becomes unreliable. The wife on the other hand wants a new car every 3 years and always wants the newest shite. Buying cars was always an exercise in bending over and taking it. Leasing has been an easy affordable note and she turns the thing in every 3 years. Works out so far with fewer headaches.
Posted by OldManRiver
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2005
6922 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:02 pm to
quote:

SMH poors

You're the one who can't afford to buy one and has to lease it, but other people are the poors. Got it
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15174 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:21 pm to
quote:

I buy used for myself but lease new cars for my wife. Reason being is I drive it till it dies or becomes unreliable. The wife on the other hand wants a new car every 3 years and always wants the newest shite. Buying cars was always an exercise in bending over and taking it. Leasing has been an easy affordable note and she turns the thing in every 3 years. Works out so far with fewer headaches.


What you do with your wife is whhat my plan is in this situation. 24 months and get a newer model. That way I don't have to pay for upkeep/maintenance, don't have to deal with finding a buyer and easily transition to a newer model.

I already have a main car, I just want a nice addition for events, going out, etc so that works for me.

Posted by Jwodie
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2009
7194 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:21 pm to
I lease and love it. I get a new ride every 3 years and don't have to worry about any up keep or maintenance whatsoever. I also am only paying for use, not depreciation as you do when buying. And I'm fortunate enough to make enough money where I can simply work a perpetual note into my budget.

But leasing works for me when it wouldn't for others. E.g. Mileage caps aren't an issue due to my work locale.

Advice? Stay abreast of the latest lease incentives and deals which run periodically. Also, negotiate the price BEFORE you tell them you went to lease rather than buy. You can still negotiate the sales price for a lease.
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
Member since Dec 2007
46643 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:36 pm to
quote:

You can still negotiate the sales price for a lease.


I have never looked into leasing but how would that help? I'm confused and am sure I'm missing something
Posted by Layabout
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2011
11082 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:43 pm to
I haven't owned a car since 1992 but have leased more than a dozen. Best advice I can give you is to stick with the factory-sponsored special lease offers. Don't deviate from them by trying to customize the car which opens the door for the dealer to play fast and loose with what started out to be a good deal. Lease for three years not two. When comparing lease deals, compare sign-and-drive with sign-and-drive. Best incentives I've found are on Hondas and some Subarus. Ford/Lincoln deals are a rip off. GM somewhere in between.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 9:47 pm
Posted by Jwodie
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2009
7194 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:02 pm to
Not sure exactly what you're asking but clearly you'd negotiate the sales price down on a lease to obtain a lower note. Also, what I found out, was you can reduce your annual mileage cap in tiers from the default of 15k/year to 10k which is what I did, which lowers your note even more. Add that to some lease/dealer incentives and you can come away quite happy with your deal.



Eta: the biggest opponents of leasing are those where mileage caps are a big issue. If that's the case, leasing won't work.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 10:05 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33793 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:09 pm to
Same predictable arguments on the way lol.

Some just can't fathom that others like to drive nice cars without making a commitment such as buying. I'm a single professional in my mid-30s. Buying a car and sticking with it for 5-6 years just doesn't appeal to me at this point in time. Hey, maybe I lease a car today, then in a year I meet the love of my life and it's time to settle down and actually buy something more practical. I can ride out the lease and then I'll buy. Leasing is about flexibility IMO.

Point is, leasing suits some people. It's not for everyone, so it's not surprising that some don't agree with it.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 10:11 pm
Posted by Jwodie
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2009
7194 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:18 pm to
quote:

Leasing is about flexibility IMO.


Exactamundo. Plus, opponents ignore the fact that you can purchase the car at the end of the lease if you so desire! And you've already negotiated the price at lease inception. All about flexibility.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
65525 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:18 pm to
The vast majority (90+%) of people are better off buying than leasing. Without knowing your entire fiscal picture it's impossible to definitively say what the best course for you is, but the odds are overwhelming as to it being outright purchase.

Leases are necessarily stacked to favor the lessors. They make them only as enticing as to barely attract the (relatively) few folks who have the combination of rare tax and low-annual mileage situations. Caveat Emptor as to a lease.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3789 posts
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:35 pm to
Check around online or compare incentive deals to get money factors, residual %'s, and any cap cost reduction from manufacturer. Most incentives are stripped down models, but typically all of the above factors remain the same regardless of MSRP.

Verify any fees, beginning and end of lease. Also ask about allowances at lease end (eg Honda allows you $1500, max $500/panel in body damage).

Negotiate it all the same as if you were buying.
Posted by Layabout
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2011
11082 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:18 am to
quote:

Verify any fees, beginning and end of lease. Also ask about allowances at lease end (eg Honda allows you $1500, max $500/panel in body damage).

I'm not sure if there's a dollar cap but all of my leases have pretty specific definitions of what constitutes normal wear and tear and what doesn't. I've never had to pay any lease-end charges for damage.

Another very important consideration--make certain that your lease contract includes gap coverage which allows you to buy out of the lease for the book value of the vehicle (not the remaining amount of the lease) in the event that it is totaled. Manufacturer-sponsored leases through their own credit companies almost always include this.

Do not lease through a third party leasing company. These leases are almost invariably a rip off. Go to swapalease.com and you'll quickly get a feel for the various ways that people get screwed by leasing companies.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38511 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:58 am to
quote:

I am interested in acquiring a high-end large luxury vehicle.


quote:

does anyone have any advice?


Leasing provides a good deal for four parties - the sales person, the F & I guy, the dealership’s owner and the finance company (leasing company). It is a lousy deal for the customer. You owe something, but you own nothing. Leasing adds a layer of complexity to the deal that allows the salesman to hide or misrepresent the true purchase price.

Most people are quick to answer a sales person when he/she asks if they’re planning to buy or lease a vehicle. As soon as you give away that you’re planning to lease, the price of the vehicle (capitalized cost) will freeze up. You’ve essentially lost any leverage you had at this dealership. You should negotiate the price of the new vehicle as if you’re going to pay for it with cash out of your own pocket and then bring that over to the lease.

Leasing has become an incredibly effective tool for dealers to sell their product at a significantly higher price and profit margin and is often “pushed” or “encouraged” through the sales process.

• Leasing makes the car more affordable and therefore easier to sell. The buyer gets focused on being able to drive a nicer vehicle for a lower monthly note than what they most likely could not afford to buy.

• It allows the customer to afford a more expensive car, and the more expensive the car, the larger the profit.

• Leasing allows the dealer to legally hide the true cost/price of the vehicle and charge you a higher price than you would normally agree to.

• A leasing customer is more likely to return to the same dealership to get their next vehicle and next vehicle and next vehicle. Even though your original sales person will be long gone, the dealership is able to maintain customer retention and that’s where it pays off in the long run.

An inflated residual value lowers your monthly payments, but it can also handcuff you. A more realistic residual value will make it easier to sell the lease, trade your vehicle in the middle of the lease or buy the vehicle at the end of the lease. Many people get lured in by the low initial payment, but should beware that all the financial factors that go into leasing, including trading in your current vehicle to obtain a new leased vehicle will effectively ensure your monthly payment will be much higher in subsequent leases. This makes it hard to break the cycle and purchase future vehicles with a sizable down payment.

Simply put, leasing is the equivalent of throwing a $100.00 bill out of your vehicle’s window every week for 3 years in terms of depreciation. The bottom line is this … any way you look at it, leasing is a convenience that you’ll pay for in the end. Put another way, if you can’t afford to buy your next vehicle with a four-year loan or less, then you really can’t afford it. The better deal long-term is to buy a reliable vehicle (good, late model used vehicle or lower priced new vehicle) and hold onto it as re-leasing every three to five years is no way to build wealth.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 5:59 am
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11672 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 8:19 am to
We recently leased an Infiniti G37. My wife had an '03 Infiniti M45 that was giving her all kinds of trouble. After the trade-in and $1000 loyalty credit, we put nothing down and it paid the first month's note. Total came to $370/month. It was a good fit for us. It will get us through the next 39 months. By then, she will be making Dr. money, and she can buy whatever the hell she wants.

I often wonder how nice it would be to have that extra $15,000 every year, rather than paying on her Med School Loans
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

Financing one of those cars for me is stupid because those types of cars depreciate quicker


The depreciation is always a factor and you always pay for it whether you lease, finance, or pay cash. If you are willing to pay the high price of always being on the leading edge of the depreciation curve, hey, it's your money.

With the lease you're paying a little extra for the convenience of getting a new ride instead of having to do another purchase/trade-in. I personally would never get a new car unless I plan to drive it into the ground, but like I said it's your money.
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