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re: You can NOT have it both ways
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:15 am to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:15 am to heartbreakTiger
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. it was clearly a call from stuff we had seen on film and during the game.
yeah, probably something they worke don during the bye.
that said i didn't like it because our defense was absolutely dominating. bama's best drive of that half other than the final possession was off that onside kick when they got a couple big runs (then came the fumble so it was basically a wash). other than that they could not move the chains and we had just scored a touchdown for the first time in forever. keep doing what you're doing.(which you could say about the final drive as well)
it all started with copeland. fake field goal was a bad call. im sure chief would like to have the last drive of each half back. i feel like we were primed for a touchdown before that absolutely horrendous penalty by copeland. horrible.
felt like it was over at halftime and they came out and played a heck of a half of football. didn't like the ware play on 4th down, the back to back option plays (fricking seriously?), couple of power toss dives but all in all a good offensive performance and mett was slinging it. sucks that it came down to a couple of breakdowns defensively but often times games like these are decided by things like that.
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Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:17 am to S
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i feel like we were primed for a touchdown before that absolutely horrendous penalty by copeland. horrible.
Everything that has been dissected since Saturday between Miles and the couple of bad calls, I think this penalty hurt the worst out of anything in that game.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:17 am to Prominentwon
Man you are a serious homer with your head up your arse. You always have been too.
We dominated in just about every aspect of the game but didn't win. How is that in anyway the players fault? LSU OUT PLAYED BAMA. Is it the fans fault for leaving and not showing support? TIGER STADIUM WAS DAMN NEAR VINTAGE FORM. Where the best game time decisions made? frick no
Who's fault is that? Now STFU.
We dominated in just about every aspect of the game but didn't win. How is that in anyway the players fault? LSU OUT PLAYED BAMA. Is it the fans fault for leaving and not showing support? TIGER STADIUM WAS DAMN NEAR VINTAGE FORM. Where the best game time decisions made? frick no
Who's fault is that? Now STFU.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:17 am to Prominentwon
This thread needs to live forever...... It's really pathetic that it needs to be addressed...
Great post
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:20 am to Child of the Missip
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Man you are a serious homer with your head up your arse. You always have been too.
We dominated in just about every aspect of the game but didn't win. How is that in anyway the players fault? LSU OUT PLAYED BAMA. Is it the fans fault for leaving and not showing support? TIGER STADIUM WAS DAMN NEAR VINTAGE FORM. Where the best game time decisions made? frick no
Who's fault is that? Now STFU.
This guy read the entire first post, obviously.
Read the entire thread, frickball.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:21 am to Child of the Missip
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Child of the Missip
Oh....
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:26 am to Prominentwon
He didn't read the title cause he's wanting it both ways. What did so many say about the Nov game last year? Alabama outplayed LSU but lost?
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:27 am to H-Town Tiger
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its stupid either way to judge calls with 20/20 hindsight. He realy only made 2 "risky" calls that didn't work. The fake FG and the onside kick. Faking a FG on 4th-12 is a bad call, the onside kick is taking a chance, which is something many have complained Miles won't do.
Look at his calls in relation to one another:
Fakes a 47 yard FG on 4th and 12. We all admit that was dumb.
But, on 4th and short, he goes for a 54 yarder against the wind? No way that was going in. My issue with that is: he should have went for it on 4th down THEN. Short yardage. Smart call. If we get it: lock for a FG or TD. If we don't, same result as the inevitable missed FG.
So that is already 6 pts we lost.
On the final 4th and 1 we went for, take the FG. Lost another 3 points.
For a coach that always preaches "take the points", he spotted BAMA 9 easy points.
The score should have been 26-14 on that final drive and the Bama TD would not have mattered.
Les was on the wrong side repeatedly throughout the game. That's why we lost. The way we dominated Bama, we should have won by 2-3 touchdowns.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:30 am to Prominentwon
The coaching staff prepared a solid game plan. I think they called the game pretty well, but made a few costly in-game mistakes (both sides of the ball). Against the #1 team in the country, just 1 mistake can cost you the game. The team (including the coaches) did so well, that they almost overcame 3-5 costly mistakes.
I'm behind this team 100%.
I'm behind this team 100%.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:31 am to Prominentwon
Just posted that on my facebook
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:45 am to theunknownknight
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For a coach that always preaches "take the points", he spotted BAMA 9 easy points.
the problem with this is assuming we make the FG's. We missed a 4o something yarder late and have missed shorter one's this year.
I agree about the inconsistent calls, faking a FG on 4th and long, attempting it on 4th and short. Maybe they thought they could catch them off guard on 4th and long, I don't know and after they missed thought they better kick in on the next one.
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Les was on the wrong side repeatedly throughout the game. That's why we lost.
back to the point of the OP, you can't blame him because of a handful of call without crediting him for all the others that had us in position to win.
I think the stupid PF on Copeland was far more damaging. We may have gotten a TD there or at least a much shorter FG. And before we blame coaching for that, Fluker did the same think to Mingo later in the game and wasn't called.
This post was edited on 11/5/12 at 10:53 am
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:47 am to Prominentwon
LSU fans, or at least the vast majority of those who choose to vocalize their opinion, pretty much suck. They are ignorant, unrealistic morons who honestly think that they know better than, and that a meaningful number of other coaches would perform better than, the best head coach (statistically) in the modern history of LSU football. We're on track for another 11-2 season with a first year starter QB, a depleted OL, and pockets of inexperience all over the defense, but, well, if it isn't NFL caliber, indeed Super Bowl caliber, play all the time, it's just underperforming. Delusional twits. Sadly, TD.com seems to act as flypaper for these idiots.
This post was edited on 11/5/12 at 10:49 am
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:54 am to TutHillTiger
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I just blame the prevent defense....again.
And the fake field goal, and the 54 yard field goal, and the onside kick, and not playing hard to get that last first down that would have ended the game.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:54 am to H-Town Tiger
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back to the point of the OP, you can't blame him because of a handful of call without crediting him for all the others that had us in position to win.
I credit Miles for preparation. But that doesn't absolve him of poor game day coaching. To say otherwise is dumb, which makes this thread dumb.
Think about this for a second:
1. We DOUBLED their TOP
2. We pretty much doubled their yardage
3. We did not turn the ball over
We were prepared and the PLAYERS executed.
Their is only one legitimate reason we didn't win by 2-3 touchdowns with the above facts: key game day coaching decisions.
The above implies the defense did what it needed to do as our offense was lights out. It comes down to Miles and game changing decisions. That's why we lost.
This post was edited on 11/5/12 at 10:57 am
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:56 am to theunknownknight
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Think about this for a second:
1. We DOUBLED their TOP
2. We pretty doubled their yardage
3. We did not turn the ball over
We were prepared and the PLAYERS executed.
Their is only one legitimate reason we didn't win by 2-3 touchdowns with the above facts: key game day coaching decisions.
So basically, other than a couple of calls, Miles completely outcoached Saban?
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:56 am to TigahRag
Overall I thought the coaching and playcalling were good, there were a couple of instances where they weren't. Unfortunately, these were key/critical plays in the game and have been disucssed already but everyone knows what they are.
a) did not call for trick plays, they were not needed
b) were not executed properly and could have been changed with a T.O. if a good coach had been paying attention
Line up for both of the plays (fake FG and Warecat), and immediately you see that Bama has sniffed it out, don't run it then. The Warecat was POORLY executued, hurry up line up, and snap the ball, the O line was not even set. You call a timeout right there and regroup, don't do it.
quote:The point is not "if it works", the point is "should it have been run". The circumestances:
if the fake FG works and we wind up scoring on the drive
a) did not call for trick plays, they were not needed
b) were not executed properly and could have been changed with a T.O. if a good coach had been paying attention
Line up for both of the plays (fake FG and Warecat), and immediately you see that Bama has sniffed it out, don't run it then. The Warecat was POORLY executued, hurry up line up, and snap the ball, the O line was not even set. You call a timeout right there and regroup, don't do it.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 10:58 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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. The Warecat was POORLY executued, hurry up line up, and snap the ball, the O line was not even set. You call a timeout right there and regroup, don't do it.
Agreed.
Both plays (the WareCat and fake FG) should have been check the defense, if it's not there...call a timeout.
I say that, I don't recall how many timeouts LSU had on both occasions or if it were smart to keep them or not.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 11:00 am to Prominentwon
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So basically, other than a couple of calls, Miles completely outcoached Saban?
The most important calls of the game. The calls he is paid for, yeah, he blew them. Only him, no one else.
And Saban outcoached miles on that last drive. Their offense was specifically prepared for what we were going to do.
BUT if you think Miles outcoached Saban because we outplayed them and lost, guess what? You are saying Miles was outcoached throughout 2009 and 2010 when we were routinely outplayed but pulled the win out of our asses at the end.
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 11:01 am to Prominentwon
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You can NOT have it both ways
Well,the Miles Haters and Sabanistas at least think they can.
With that said, "Lawge1" has a fantastic post.
Posted on 11/5/12 at 11:01 am to Prominentwon
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Lawge1
Couldn't have said it better.
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