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re: Yahoo report re: Wade wiretap discuss IN THIS THREAD

Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:32 pm to
Scanning the pages of this thread and seeing posters defending Wade.


Amazing what 25 wins will do to a fan base.
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:33 pm to
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The FBI doesn't ask you to come testify if they don't already know the answers and have proof of the questions they are going to ask.


The
FBI
didn’t
Issue
The
Subpoena
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:33 pm to
Goddamn. That sounds bad
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:34 pm to
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Scanning the pages of this thread and seeing posters defending Wade.


Amazing what 25 wins will do to a fan base.

What's so funny here? Are you surprised that LSU fans on an LSU message board would defend LSU's head basketball coach?
Posted by Allthatfades
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2014
7917 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:34 pm to
The question I have is what Wade is going to do when he gets on the stand. You know he’s gonna be asked under oath whether he payed players. Does he take the 5th? Does he deny and risk perjury not knowing what they have or what could come out later?
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
10325 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:34 pm to
Jesus christ...the FBI did not subpoena Wade.

Dawkins defense counsel did. He will likely not even be asked to testify because it is not relevant to the Dawkins case.

It has already been thrown out once.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71471 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:36 pm to
He obviously didn’t mention money but if he takes the stand he will be asked what he meant by “strong arse offer”.

As someone else mentioned the only hope here would be that he can legal his way out of being on the stand. Or he can plead the fifth. Either way the NCAA can do whatever they want with what he says on the stand.

I’m fully aware he’s not the one on trial. That’s not the issue.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:36 pm to
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You know he’s gonna be asked under oath whether he payed players. Does he take the 5th?

He can't plead the 5th unless his response would implicate him in criminal activity. Paying players isn't criminal. I would hope, however, that the prosecution keeps the line of questioning by Dawkins' lawyer on a short leash and objects to any attempts to make this into a circus and draw the court's attention away from the substance of the allegations made against Dawkins.

ETA: and this is assuming he actually is called to testify.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 1:37 pm
Posted by Cs
Member since Aug 2008
10611 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:36 pm to
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Scanning the pages of this thread and seeing posters defending Wade


He was doing exactly what UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, and other elite college basketball programs have been doing for years.

Posted by HueyP
Lubbock
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:37 pm to
If Will Wade goes down because of this I hope he takes down the NCAA with him!
Posted by GeorgeReymond
Buckhead
Member since Jan 2013
10347 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:37 pm to
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The FBI doesn't ask you to come testify

You don’t know what the hell you're talking about, move along
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132970 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:37 pm to
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I hope y'all don't get hammered, but talking directly to this Dawkins guy on the phone was a rookie move.



You are right. Hopefully WW come out of this a better coach.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:38 pm to
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He can't plead the 5th unless his response would implicate him in criminal activity.


Couldn't you say he could be viewed as an accessory to commit fraud and therefore eligible to plead the 5th?
Posted by BobBarker
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Member since Nov 2012
11751 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:39 pm to
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The FBI doesn't ask you to come testify if they don't already know the answers and have proof of the questions they are going to ask.


The FBI didn’t ask him. It was Dawkins defense team.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281895 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:39 pm to
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You really think Saban would talk about this over the phone?

Personally, I don't give a shite if Wade offered the kid money. I hope y'all don't get hammered, but talking directly to this Dawkins guy on the phone was a rookie move.
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Bingo.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32098 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:40 pm to
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The FBI isn’t going to ask him shite, they aren’t the ones who subpoenaed him. It was Dawkins defense team who did it, they’re trying to muddy the waters of this investigation and turn it into a circus. Just look at what Haney said in the article, “We’re gonna pull back the curtain”. This is about a guy who got caught trying to pull other people down with him. More than likely Wade’s testimony will not be admitted into evidence in the first place nor will he be called to testify in open court. It has no relevance to Dawkins case. It was thrown out the first time, it’ll be thrown out again. Forde is a hack journalist who’s acting as Haney’s lap dog on this. Y’all should go back and read the article he did a month ago on this. Notice how he omitted the fact that it was the defense who subpoenaed Wade. He tried to imply it was the FBI, which would carry much more weight. He’s a piece of shite.


This is absolutely correct.

An NCAA investigation only has so much "teeth". It's quite another when you are on a witness stand in federal court being asked questions under penalty of perjury. The best thing for Wade would be a pretrial motion to quash seeking an Order that he not be forced to testify.

As you said, the wiretap was inadmissible in the first trial on the basis of relevance. Defense counsel seems to believe it's more relevant with re: to this particular trial. That's up for the judge to decide. But make no mistake, defense counsel is leaking this to Yahoo to if nothing else, exact a pound of flesh against the coaches who, lets be honest, were very much involved in the "process" of college basketball recruiting (not just Wade), because it seems a bit unfair that his client will spend 9 months in jail for a practice that everyone, coaches, agents, shoe companies, AAU promoters are all happily involved in.

It also circles back to the SDNY US Attorney's office being so attention starved that they are wasting federal resources to essentially investigate minor and largely victimless crimes simply because it gets them major headlines. They're putting a guy in jail for 9 months for a "crime" in which no one was defrauded. The judge recognizes that. It's why the sentences were extremely light.

Public institutions (i.e. colleges) aren't being "fleeced" by bribers. They're happily benefiting from great players attending their schools and generating profits for the athletic depts. But SOLELY because the SDNY always wants to be in the limelight, instead of just prosecuting significant crimes MUCH more harmful to the public at large, we get wastes of time and resources to stop a "wrong" no one is actually concerned about being stopped...including the purported "victims".

At its core, this is a notoriously attention seeking US attorney's office virtue signaling strictly for the sake of publicity
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132970 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:41 pm to
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He obviously didn’t mention money but if he takes the stand he will be asked what he meant by “strong arse offer”.



The promise of a lot of playing time. Duh.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
38101 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:41 pm to
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Goddamn. That sounds bad



Unless there's more to it, it seems fairly vague. They could be literally talking about anything. People hear what they want to hear.

I would be interested to know who else Wade was heavily recruiting at the time. Perhaps that one scholarship came down to 2 guys, and Wade was frustrated with Smart playing hard to get. shite, anythings possible.
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
85344 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:42 pm to
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Are you surprised that LSU fans on an LSU message board would defend LSU's head basketball coach?



No. Hypocrites dont surprise me
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26941 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 1:42 pm to
He won’t plead the 5th, that would be a terrible look.

If he has committed violations, he’ll just deny it and lie if need be and say “prove it.”

They’re (FBI) not after Wade. He’s not worried about criminal or perjury charges. He’s more worried about NCAA and keeping job at LSU and reputation.
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