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beauxroux
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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I fear that he is more concerned with making money than winning. That is obviously strictly my opinion.

I understand your point-- but winning makes more money. So there's that.
And I am not an Alleva fan.


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tigertex1992
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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Sure he can coordinate a defense but what about everything else that a HC actually does do?


LOL! Did Orgeron when we have him the job? If anything his past suggested he couldn't. So come on man! Don't be negative! This is Give Him A Chance University! Experience is not needed!


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TigerLunatik
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
I wasn't a fan of the Ensminger hire at the time, but I've since come to the realization that I have no basis to say that he can't or will not be a good OC. I think my doubt stems more from my questioning of Oregeron's evaluation of the position so far in his career. I'm in wait and see mode on the offense as well. Tons of talent and potential at every position.


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beauxroux
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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Instead of comparing Aranda to Saban you should really be comparing him to Kirby. I believe they are the same age as well.

That is an excellent comparison. Your results may vary.


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boxcarbarney
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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We lost to Troy for the simply fact that we didn't have that depth and there's no way in hell you can put that blame on the new HC.


This right here is pure gold. Pure. Gold.


D500MAG
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
If you want a modern offense--------No

ball/clock control offense-------Yes


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GeauxTigerTM
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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“I can’t have someone at LSU without head coaching experience,” he said. “This job is too big. No matter how good you think someone is, you don’t know how good they are.”


Without reading this entire thread I'm going to assume this has already been pointed out...but just in case...

So in in Alleva's mind it's better to hire a guy who's only time as a full time head coach was an abysmal failure rather than taking a "risk" on a guy who's actually thought of as a brilliant football mind but has NOT yet tanked a program?

Sure...that makes total fricking sense.


GeauxTigerTM
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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If you want the best coaches, then you better be prepared to fend off other suitors.


Keep us posted for when Orgeron starts getting suited, ok?


BayouBengals18
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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Instead of comparing Aranda to Saban you should really be comparing him to Kirby. I believe they are the same age as well.


Only difference is Aranda has never worked under an elite HC for an extended period of time. Kirby was an integral part of what Saban built at Bama. Aranda doesn’t have that kind of experience, at this point in his career.

ETA: Would like to point out that this is not a knock on Aranda, at all. I love DA and would undoubtedly take him over O based off of what he’s done with our D. Paired with a good OC, he could be a force as a HC.
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tigerfoot
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
I don’t know based on history he is about as likely to succeed as O.

Most coaches fail at some point so odds are Aranda would fail as a head coach. However I doubt he would flame out as brilliantly as O did at Ole Miss


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rbdallas
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
Coach O has been thru a learning curve as most do in any industry. Aranda has not had that experience.

Only time will tell about O regardless of the hatred already shown by some. I have seen some very poor initial managers who later flourished. Hoping the best for the Tigers.


BayouBengals18
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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Coach O has been thru a learning curve


Yet he’s still doing a lot of the things that caused him to fail at OM.


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ChewyDante
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
Hiring personnel and recruiting is such a huge part of a modern day college HC's success. I don't think anybody questions whether Aranda is a better X's and O's guy than Orgeron, but if you can't outrecruit your rivals for players and staff you are going to be hard pressed to compete at an elite level. Maybe Aranda can do that but it's a bit of a question mark as he's never had the opportunity to demonstrate it.


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GeauxTigerTM
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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I have seen some very poor initial managers who later flourished.


Ok...let's unpack this nugget.

When hiring a manager, do you hire a person with the best resume and who's had the most success in their previous positions, or do hire a person who's yet to have any real success and the one time they were a full time manager they utterly failed?

Assuming there are no sure fire hires, do you not at least attempt to mitigate the chance of failure by hing the candidate most likely to succeed? Or do you hamstring your organization by hiring a candidate who has only failed in the hopes that in your case they'll get better at managing?

We hired one of the worst available candidates and are now forced to be in a position to have to hope he grows into this job. We ought not be in that position at LSU.


RB10
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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This right here is pure gold. Pure. Gold.


See my new sig.


NAsh-vegas Tigah
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
Yes


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beauxroux
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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So in in Alleva's mind it's better to hire a guy who's only time as a full time head coach was an abysmal failure rather than taking a "risk" on a guy who's actually thought of as a brilliant football mind but has NOT yet tanked a program?


No one knows what is in Alleva's mind. But, if you thought the first hire was a mistake, should you continue to make another by hiring a guy that has never been a head coach?

I think Aranda is a great DC. I would not have picked O to be HC, and would not risk success/failure on a guy that has never been HC. But, like you, I'm not paid to make those calls.


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beauxroux
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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Keep us posted for when Orgeron starts getting suited, ok?

Either you are lazy and did not read to whom I was responding, or you are dense. I was talking about Aranda.


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beauxroux
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re: Would Dave Aranda be a better HC than Ed Ogeron?
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When hiring a manager, do you hire a person with the best resume and who's had the most success in their previous positions, or do hire a person who's yet to have any real success and the one time they were a full time manager they utterly failed?

You do realize that these are not the only two choices for a head coach. I'd hire the guy with a proven track record of success at the position for which I am seeking an employee.
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boxcarbarney
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See my new sig.


Please keep it. Forever. Wisdom like that must be seen.


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