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Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:13 pm to PDT1960
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he's never, ever done business with Christian Dawkins.
I am sure many have had phone conversations that amounted to not doing business with some one. Is this really that hard to absorb?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:16 pm to SHMILL
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no one really knows
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Do you none of you attend meetings regularly with management, administrative or executive staff? They call me, I go. No excuses. If I have something else scheduled for that time, I reschedule it.
I was an Executive Director of HR for a Fortune 500 company and if an employee was due to testify in a federal case concerning the info we were scheduled to meet to discuss, I would immediately involve our legal team to determine if it was in our best interest to continue. The times I did meet with employees under subpoena for anything job related, participants in that meeting included me, our legal team, the employee, their attorney and 1 or 2 others only if there was an immediate need for their participation.
I would never include an outside, regulating agency in such a meeting or even top executives of the company unless expressly advised to do so by our outside counsel as it’s rarely a good idea to have your top officers involved in an informational meeting regarding federal cases. The last thing I would want is for those officers to be subpoenaed to also give testimony regarding what they heard in the meeting.
ETA People really need to top equating this meeting request with a run of the mill meeting request with a run of the mill employee.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
You are completely missing everyone’s point. Nobody is arguing whether Alleva could have suspended wade for not attending the meeting. I think everyone would also agree that if any employee does not meet with his boss, the boss could justifiably fire or suspend that employee. But this situation is not that black and white. Everyone is trying to tell you that, just because Alleva COULD suspend with some justification, doesn’t mean he SHOULD. In fact, with all things and circumstances considered, it was the wrong choice.
The better choice was to stand firm and strong behind your coach, explain that you will be cooperative with the NCAA, but not rush to judgement until the Federal case plays out in a few weeks. You know, kind of like what Auburn did with Pearl, or Kansas did with Self, or what almost every other competent AD would have done. Instead, we treated Wade as if he was instantly toxic, branded him as guilty, and played it out in the public square. We cast out a talented coach who has been nothing but a stellar ambassador for the program and the entire State, even in the face of this mud-slinging. We cut off our nose to spite our face. And for what? To placate and appease false alarmists and a toothless tyrant.
The better choice was to stand firm and strong behind your coach, explain that you will be cooperative with the NCAA, but not rush to judgement until the Federal case plays out in a few weeks. You know, kind of like what Auburn did with Pearl, or Kansas did with Self, or what almost every other competent AD would have done. Instead, we treated Wade as if he was instantly toxic, branded him as guilty, and played it out in the public square. We cast out a talented coach who has been nothing but a stellar ambassador for the program and the entire State, even in the face of this mud-slinging. We cut off our nose to spite our face. And for what? To placate and appease false alarmists and a toothless tyrant.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:30 pm to LSUGrrrl
It’s happening. Decision will be made tomorrow morning. That’s what I heard.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:31 pm to Baron
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You know, kind of like what Auburn did with Pearl, or Kansas did with Self, or what almost every other competent AD would have done.
And what Duke is doing with Coach K over the Zion pay off accusations.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:31 pm to Tigah
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It’s happening. Decision will be made tomorrow morning. That’s what I heard.
Did you get your info from the OP? Or someone in the AD's offices?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:32 pm to RealityTiger
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So why are you and a few choice others all up in every thread
I'm not all up in every thread, a few, but not all.
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going to such lengths
Because anytime you want someone on this board to understand something, the first thing you have to do is to try to break through their bias so they can see the situation clearly - which is quite a challenge on this board. There are a lot of cases where I have to say the same thing over and over again.
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to want to throw Wade under the bus?
I don't want to throw Wade under the bus - but if he's investigated and found guilty, and if he wants to work again at a big time school, he shouldn't take down the whole program.
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Is that how you treat your respected friends, colleagues, and family?
How is it that you see me 'treating' Wade? All I'm saying is that he's the one heard on the alleged tape, he's the one that didn't go to the meeting called by his boss, so it's no real surprise that he's found himself suspended.
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Of course we're going to be biased. We're LSU fans
That's what you call yourself, but too many times people say they are LSU fans, but really don't care about the university at all, they just care that 'their' team beats other teams so they can feel better about themselves.
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Oh my God. He's done everything but that.
How dramatic of you. But by suspending Wade, he's showing the NCAA who's in control. I'm sorry you don't see it that way.
But let's face it, this fan base is bat-shite crazy. It's awesome in some respects, but just downright terribly depressing in others.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:39 pm to Tigah
quote:Good enough for me.
Tigah
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#ridin
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:42 pm to tigertex1992
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I’m being as objective as I know how. I'm assuming that Wade was in fact cheating and doing it as a matter of normal procedure. But I'm not going to be blind to the reality that this is absolutely the norm in college basketball ball to the point that by not cheating he would be doing his job completely utterly wrong. I'm also not going to be so unrealistic as to believe an athletic director shouldn't realize this.
I'm on board with all that - but don't forget it, because I'll probably refer back to your statement to support my points.
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Which means sooner or later getting caught is possibility for any coach.
That seems reasonable.
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So any AD needs to be prepared for it and at least not make the situation worse when it happens.
okay so far
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If this is in fact the way of the real world I can only conclude that Wade did what was expected of him but the administration didn't.
You just lost me. The AD could've fired Wade with cause,. they didn't because they want Wade to continue coaching at LSU and bringing in the revenue. They did suspend him, however, as a message to the NCAA that the institution is still in control.
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Who in their right mind would have predicted that the freaking FBI would get involved in NCAA rule violation investigation?
I don't discuss illegal shite over the phone. You're a fool if you do. By the same token, if my multi-million dollar job depended on abiding by NCAA regs, I would see them just like laws; if I were breaking them, I wouldn't discuss it over the phone. Don't put shite down in writing, and don't discuss it over the phone. How hard is that to remember?
But chill out, Wade will be back at LSU. This will blow over - except from the fans of other schools who will never let LSU fans forget their coach is a 'known cheater'. Meh, as long as LSU is kicking arse, I don't give a shite what other fans say.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:43 pm to LSUGrrrl
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People really need to top equating this meeting request with a run of the mill meeting request with a run of the mill employee.
this
bunch of people acting like this is McDonald's, and the shift manager is telling you to come in.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:45 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Wade was the one allegedly
Here is why your argument fails.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:45 pm to SUB
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I prefer to make decisions based on fact, not Yahoo Sports.
Good for you. The AD of a big time program doesn't have that luxury, and has to concern himself with the of the opinions of the regulating authority.
Nothing's really happened, but LSU fans are freaking the frick out. Wade's just suspended, not fired. He fricked up, but he'll recover. Alleva's a clown, but he's keeping the institution in control so far.
Has the NCAA even started to investigate LSU?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:46 pm to JohnnyU
quote:every single person on this board, if called in to their boss’ office to explain a problem where they were completely innocent, would say, “no boss, I want my attorney here before I speak to you.”
Not in an employment setting. I was an administrator or department director for over 30 years and had many folks in my office to discuss alleged or suspected bad or criminal behavior. None of those folks had a lawyer. Some confessed, some lied.
Not a single person would do that, because their job is at risk, and no rational person would risk that by lawyering up, if they’re innocent.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:50 pm to pensacola
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if your shift supervisor at the plant called you in to discuss a matter that is pending with the FBI, AND your lawyer advised you not to go, would you??
Yes.
I have met with the FBI before. They're not mind-readers.
But then I wasn't under oath. I would probably bring in counsel if I were actually being deposed. I don't think Wade was being deposed.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:52 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I don't think
Another flaw in the argument.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:54 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
I had the Paul Finebaum show on and they were asking what in the world is going on down at LSU. No one knows.. So I come here to check and I see someone in a thread that was started yesterday to say Will Wade would meet with LSU today, say that they will meet tomorrow.
WTH is really going on?
WTH is really going on?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:54 pm to atltiger6487
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every single person on this board, if called in to their boss’ office to explain a problem where they were completely innocent, would say, “no boss, I want my attorney here before I speak to you.”
Not a single person would do that, because their job is at risk, and no rational person would risk that by lawyering up, if they’re innocent.
BS. If the FBI were involved in this equation, I would definitely protect myself first, by getting a lawyer (which I would acquire at whichever point I’m implicated, innocent or not), then I’d follow my attourney’s reccommendations.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Nothing's really happened, but LSU fans are freaking the frick out
What? Not having our coach for the tournament /= “nothing’s really happened”
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