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re: Will Wade to meet LSU sometime tomorrow (Wednesday) Updated Thursday, 4/11

Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:47 pm to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:47 pm to
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Not talking to him sure seems like an effective way to accomplish that, doesn't it?

As long as you attend the meeting as requested. If you don't attend, that's cause for termination.
Posted by Baron
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:48 pm to
Reading all of these comments and terrible analogies gives me a headache. This has been said multiple times before, but always seems to get lost. So I guess it needs to be said again:

Wade has been subpoenaed to testify in a federal criminal trial as a witness. Alleva and King asked to speak with him about things that he would likely testify to at the trial, and later want to include representatives from the NCAA. Wade’s attorney, LIKE ANY ATTORNEY WORTH THEIR SALT, advised him not to talk about ANY of this to ANYONE, until the trial is over. If he does, he subjects everyone he speaks with to being wrapped up into this trial as an attempt to attack Wade’s credibility by seeing if his story is consistent. That is why Wade asked to let this play out first and asked to speak after the conclusion of the trial. Alleva and King should have understood and respected that request. It is completely reasonable. They should have backed their coach and told the NCAA that they are currently looking into this and hope to have a conclusion by the beginning of May when the trial is over. Instead, they, specifically Alleva, have handled this the worst imaginable way.

My only guess is all of that was in an effort to avoid being slapped with the “lack of institution control” penalty. Im sure that penalty would most likely void Alleva’s contract and he’d lose out on a chunk of money, and probably get King on the hot seat too. So they panic and do everything they can to avoid it.

So stop comparing it to just blowing off a meeting with your boss, or an employee getting caught embezzling money. Wade is not under criminal investigation. Wade did not break any laws. Wade has no obligation to sit down with the NCAA right now.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:52 pm to
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Wade is not under criminal investigation. Wade did not break any laws.
none of this matters
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:52 pm to
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You want to put your neck out further than it already is for a guy that would sell you as a sex slave if he thought it would help better his position somehow?

Yes.

Your response shows clearly that you're blinded by your hatred for Alleva, and can't look at the situation objectively.

Suppose wade cheated.

Suppose wade wants to coach college basketball in the future.

Would it best to throw your boss and the whole program under the bus, or better to protect your boss and the program in hopes that another school might eventually want to hire you?

Who would hire a coach that would bring their whole program down? I want a guy who's willing to take the fall if he gets caught - a 'company man'.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:52 pm to
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That is certainly a potential risk. I think the bigger risk is simply not discussing things that may become the subject of testimony (even if the possibility of testifying is low). Especially in front of a large, potentially public audeince (LSU officials, BOS members, the NCAA, etc.). It really opens pandora's box.


Agree 100%.

If the DOJ/FBI fail to prevent the Dawkins defense team from calling any or all the college coaches from testifying, and Wade has the meeting with the LSU admin, compliance, BOS, legal, NCAA etc., my God the can of worms that could opened are potentially monumental.

The good news so far is the DOJ/FBI have successfully blocked Wade and other coaches from testifying.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:54 pm to
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See ole miss and SMU and read how their punishment was increased because they lied.

See every single other NCAA basketball coach who has lied about cheating.

If they all do it, and everyone denies it, aren't they ALL lying?

Are cheaters really known for being honest people?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:54 pm to
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Yes.

Your response shows clearly that you're blinded by your hatred for Alleva, and can't look at the situation objectively.

Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:56 pm to
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As long as you attend the meeting as requested. If you don't attend, that's cause for termination.


What if the bosses canceled the meeting right before you were about to show up?
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:58 pm to
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Your response shows clearly that you're blinded by your hatred for Alleva, and can't look at the situation objectively.



No it doesn't. It shows that I have seen how Alleva operates which is to throw anyone under the bus to save his own arse. Knowing this, I am not gonna meet Joe at the bus stop and make it easier for him.

He fricked those Duke kids based on the story of a god damn hooker. There is zero reason that any coach should trust him to have their best interests at heart in any situation let alone one that could also get him fired.

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Would it best to throw your boss and the whole program under the bus, or better to protect your boss and the program in hopes that another school might eventually want to hire you?


The only people putting the program in immediate danger are Alleva and Alexander. They created this whole mess by demanding meetings under circumstances that no one would agree to and then suspending the coach.

Is anyone talking about the Arizona coach that was on tape offering $100k for a player? No cuz his AD didn't go rogue trying to make sure his own arse was covered.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:59 pm to
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my statement would be the absolute same, "I am in compliance. I can't comment further."

So in other words, you're gonna show up with Joe Alleva, F King Alexander, their attorney, and NCAA Reps. And proceed to waste everybody's time by making a statement to them that Wade almost assuredly already said to them. So you're going to piss everybody off, in addition to everything else. Great plan there, bud.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:00 pm to
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Proof that he's done this?

I never claimed that he did. Poster said he should've met privately first with the AD. I disagree. Don't tell the AD anything he doesn't want to hear - at least at this point. Maintain your innocence, and have no further comment.
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No one gives a frick what McDonald's policies are. Elite coaches don't operate by 9-5 rules. Stop trying to equate them.

So it doesn't matter what's actually in their contracts?

If there are clauses in my contract stipulating that:

1.) I must report annually to the AD that I am in full compliance with all NCAA rules.

2.) I must meet with the AD when called upon to do so.

3.) Violation of the above terms is cause for termination.

...I'm going to make sure to protect my multi-million dollar contract by abiding by the terms of the contract. I'm going to tell the AD that I'm in compliance, and I will attend all meetings called by the AD.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:02 pm to
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anything you say can and will be used against you.

Try a hypothetical where this is used against me:

"I am in full compliance with NCAA rules. I cannot comment further due to the on-going investigation."
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:04 pm to
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See every single other NCAA basketball coach who has lied about cheating.


Can you point me to the stories about coaches lying directly to the NCAA and waking away without a scratch?

It's one thing to act innocent like coach K, it's entirely another to lie when asked point blank.

Bruce Pearl got banned for 5 years in part for lying. He learned his lesson and refused to meet with Auburn's AD about similar issues. Not saying anything is better than lying.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:04 pm to
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"I am in full compliance with NCAA rules. I cannot comment further due to the on-going investigation."



You keep harping on this. The message is fine. What is not fine is public knowledge of this meeting.

Do you understand why? FYI it’s been explained in this thread several times.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 3:05 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:05 pm to
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why did Dawkins legal team leak to Yahoo? What was their motivation? How were they hoping Wade would react?

It doesn't matter. wade was called into his boss' office, and he didn't show. That's why he was suspended. If he didn't want to be suspended, he should've shown up and said he was in compliance, but can't comment further. If he had done that, what cause would Alleva have had to suspend him?

No one has yet explained how this would've been worse than the situation Wade finds himself in now.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:05 pm to
See, the problem with you and this other yo yo from Atlanta is that y'all are both applying terrible analogies, assumptions, making up terms of a contract in your head, and terrible strategy of handling a complex situation. And after all of that, the integral is to hang Will Wade out to dry. Judge, jury, and executioner.

And mind you, this is our (LSU) coach we're talking about. But y'all sure are quick to throw him under the bus. Especially a guy who made us relevant again after a miserable decade with basketball.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:06 pm to
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It doesn't matter. wade was called into his boss' office, and he didn't show


Wrong.

His intention was to show the first time on March 8th at 10:00 AM. Alleva and FKA canceled.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:09 pm to
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What if the bosses canceled the meeting right before you were about to show up?

It's happened to me before. I wait for the meeting to be rescheduled, and then I show up.

Do you none of you attend meetings regularly with management, administrative or executive staff? They call me, I go. No excuses. If I have something else scheduled for that time, I reschedule it.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
12251 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:11 pm to
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"I am in full compliance with NCAA rules. I cannot comment further due to the on-going investigation."


You told us in our meeting that you were in FULL COMPLIANCE with the NCAA rules but we found infraction X, Y, and Z. While none of these infractions are as severe as paying recruits, they do prove that you were not truthful in our earlier meeting and leave us to believe that everything you have ever told us is a lie. These infractions usually have a slap on the wrist penalty but because you lied, you are suspended for a year.

Boom.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 3:12 pm
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