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re: Why Pull a Starter Who is Throwing a No-Hitter
Posted on 7/12/24 at 3:38 pm to Keltic Tiger
Posted on 7/12/24 at 3:38 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Calling him a pussy just shows your ignorance about today's MLB.
Is anyone calling Skenes a pussy in this discussion?
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Posted on 7/12/24 at 3:47 pm to FreddieMac
quote:so that means he's automatically shut down without any real-time evaluation or context?
because he hit 100 pitches
Ride the hot hand, let him keep going and watch closely to see how he does. Throwing a few extra innings isn't going to hurt him.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 3:50 pm to AlwysATgr
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But using his career as justification for extending another's outing isn't good rationale.
Loosen up sweet cheeks. It was a joke
Posted on 7/12/24 at 3:50 pm to Hot Carl
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I haven’t looked at the numbers, but there was a stretch not too long ago where it seemed like there was 1 every other week. Look up all the no-names you’ve never heard of who’ve thrown no-hitters in the last 20 years. Now find 1 All-Star game starter in the last 20 years you’ve never heard of.
The MLB has averaged 2 no hitters a year for it's history.
there were 9 in 2021, which is the most ever.
there were 8 in 1884.
The last 10 years have averaged 3 a year, not counting the stupid multiple pitcher no hitters, which there have been 6 of in the last 3 years. There's been just as many multi-pitcher no hitters in the last 10 years as the previous 100+ years of baseball.
I don't disagree that there's a good bit of no name guys that have thrown no hitters, but that doesn't mean the feat isn't something that's extremely special and somethign that will always be remembered.
If Skenes were to start 6 all-star games, which would be the most ever for a starting pitcher, or throw 4 no hitters in his career tieing Sandy Koufax for 2nd most all time, which one do you think would be remembered more?
Hell most people have no idea that Nolan Ryan never won a Cy Young, but they know he has the most strikeouts and no hitters all time. No one knows how many times Nolan Ryan started an all-star game. The answer is 1.
Don't downplay the importance of throwing a no hitter in the MLB.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 4:00 pm to Tenntig
A lot of people are going say arm health is more important and they aren’t wrong the majority of the time. The problem is this is the MLB and throwing a no hitter is incredibly difficult. All it takes is one lucky bloop single or roller between 1b or 2b and it’s over.
I think the rarity for a pitcher in that situation makes it the kid’s decision to go out for one more inning. He might give up a lucky hit in the first AB and you take him out. But unless Skenes says he’s done you let him go back out in that situation. They don’t happen often.
I think the rarity for a pitcher in that situation makes it the kid’s decision to go out for one more inning. He might give up a lucky hit in the first AB and you take him out. But unless Skenes says he’s done you let him go back out in that situation. They don’t happen often.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 4:06 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Actually, yes. The word "pussy" is pretty easy to find here.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 4:07 pm to Tenntig
Would you rather him throw his arm out before a 10-year $300M deal?
It's actually good for Skenes if they protect his arm.
You can see all the guys throwing their arms out all over the league.
It's actually good for Skenes if they protect his arm.
You can see all the guys throwing their arms out all over the league.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 4:10 pm to Tenntig
Because throwing 2 more innings would tear his arm up 
Posted on 7/12/24 at 4:17 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Would you rather him throw his arm out before a 10-year $300M deal?
No one throws there arm out b/c they threw 15 extra pitches this one time when they were completely healthy.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 4:18 pm to LSUFAN227
quote:been a Bucs fan since 77. They will make no moves.
They need bats in a bad way, but man, those 3 guys can win you a lot of games. I’d bet they make some moves and contend for the division in the next 2 seasons.
quote:since 77. So don’t tell me a thing about em. You couldn’t name 20 players for Pitt if I gave you google
Tell me that you don’t follow MLB or the Pirates other than checking box score when Paul Skenes pitches without telling me! This is so dumb
Posted on 7/12/24 at 4:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
It’s ridiculous if you really think about it. But to the MLB it’s better to be abundantly cautious. They seem to be sticking strictly to a maximum of 7 innings. Would it hurt for him to pitch 2 more innings once a blue moon? Nah.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 4:35 pm to Hot Carl
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Skenes was announced as the starting pitcher for NL in Tuesday’s All-Star game.
AFTER yesterday's game (though it's possible the Pirates knew of that ahead of time)
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Add 30 high stress pitches to his total yesterday, and he probably wouldn’t have even taken off his turf shoes Tuesday.
Managers aren't asking any of the pitchers to go more than 1 inning. The most he's going to throw in the game is 10-20 pitches. He would have been going into the AS game on 4 days rest. That's not a laborious day for a starting pitcher. Extending him out another 20 pitches or so yesterday would have had ZERO impact on him playing in the AS game.
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No-hitters aren’t all that rare anymore anyway. Growing up in the 80s and 90s, they were a much bigger deal. Seemed like just a couple a year, and there were even years without any.
Baseball was more popular then
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I haven’t looked at the numbers,
You should.
There has only been 1 (non-combined) no-hitter to date this season
2023 - 2
2022 - 1
2021 - 7
2019 - 2
2018 - 2
2017 - 1
2016 - 1
1994 - 3 (strike shortened season)
1993 - 3
1992 - 1
1991 - 5
1990 - 6
1989 - 0
1988 - 1
1987 - 1
You're letting the outlier season of 2021 skew your perception. Now, there was a time between 2009 - 2015 where they were relatively common. But generally speaking (outside of 2021) they have become as rare as they were in the 80's/90's...most of that having to do with how managers use pitchers today with the greater emphasis on the bullpen.
It would have been the first no-hitter thrown by a Pirates pitcher since 1976...nearly FIFTY years, and only the 6th in the 137 year history of the franchise. Only 9 guys in the history of baseball have thrown a no-hitter in 10 starts or less. Skenes would have been outside that number by 1 game, but it still would have put him in some rare air.
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Now find 1 All-Star game starter in the last 20 years you’ve never heard of.
Guys like Dallas Keuchel, Zac Gallen, and Johnny Cueto have started All Star games. Those guys had brief moments of greatness, but I doubt many will remember them in 5-10 years.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 4:39 pm to Tenntig
Short answer is so that he can pitch the all star game
Posted on 7/12/24 at 5:03 pm to AlwysATgr
Ryan was no outlier. Check the list of complete game leaders back in the 50s, 60s and 70s and you will find it filled with Hall of Famers who had long productive careers despite pitching 25-30 completes games a year. Ryan thew his seventh no-hitter at the age of 44 and was in the majors for 27 years. As for Skenes, he did not want to come out and should have been given a chance to get the no hitter. The notion that good healthy young athletes should not play because they might hurt themselves makes no sense. The more outrageously high salaries get, the more athletes want to stay on the bench to protect them. Who knows. You could fall off the training room table during you fifth 15-day disable list rehab and break a leg.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 5:30 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:Both. Obviously a physical freak, but also had a legendarily rigorous nutrition, training, and recovery regimen. One of the first baseball players to use some of that stuff (like resistance training, water-based exercise, and Skenes' own football tossing).
Nolan Ryan is an outlier. His arm just had an amazing longevity. Genetics? Something he did? Dunno.
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:38 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:throw his arm out because of a few extra innings for a 22 year old?
Would you rather him throw his arm out before a 10-year $300M deal?
Seriously Clark?
Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:41 pm to atltiger6487
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throw his arm out because of a few extra innings for a 22 year old?
Seriously Clark?
22 year olds get Tommy John quite often these days. Educate yourself.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:42 pm to TeddyPadillac
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No one throws there arm out b/c they threw 15 extra pitches this one time when they were completely healthy.
You know that's exactly how much it takes? Also, his arm ligaments aren't starting from zero with every pitch, they're straining from the previous throws.
When metal gets heated it gets weaker.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:44 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:good lord, man, Skenes is 22 years old. Let the man go get his no-hitter.
You know that's exactly how much it takes? Also, his arm ligaments aren't starting from zero with every pitch, they're straining from the previous throws.
When metal gets heated it gets weaker.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 6:49 pm to atltiger6487
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good lord, man, Skenes is 22 years old. Let the man go get his no-hitter.
As stated above, 22 year olds have Tommy John all the time.
Sorry you're willing to sacrifice Skenes arm for you to pay attention to MLB baseball for 15 minutes. Maybe grab a beer and sit on your porch instead.
If Skenes keeps going you'll get another chance to see him go.
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