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Why NIL is good for LSU academics.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:45 pm
We signed an elite class this year, and it was close to being one of the best ever. But after losing a few top recruits, you may be sitting on your front porch cursing NIL. Here is a different perspective.
The programs with the most NIL money have the wealthiest/most prosperous fan bases. These programs are able to buy the top rated/most expensive players.
Nobody can blame CBK for the net worth or generosity of our fan base. The pressure is on the University to bring in the smartest undergraduates, have them be taught by the best professors in the world, and then get them to go out into the workforce and generate more income collectively than any other school in the country.
I don’t believe the pressure is entirely on CBK. The pressure is also definitely on LSU to more effectively mold our student body to become higher net worth generating individuals and become more competitive in the real world.
This is the reason why NIL will eventually be good for LSU academics. We have to build from the bottom up.
The programs with the most NIL money have the wealthiest/most prosperous fan bases. These programs are able to buy the top rated/most expensive players.
Nobody can blame CBK for the net worth or generosity of our fan base. The pressure is on the University to bring in the smartest undergraduates, have them be taught by the best professors in the world, and then get them to go out into the workforce and generate more income collectively than any other school in the country.
I don’t believe the pressure is entirely on CBK. The pressure is also definitely on LSU to more effectively mold our student body to become higher net worth generating individuals and become more competitive in the real world.
This is the reason why NIL will eventually be good for LSU academics. We have to build from the bottom up.
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Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:57 pm to jafari rastaman
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generate more income collectively than any other school in the country.
What kind of time frame are you talking here?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:59 pm to jafari rastaman
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LSU to more effectively mold our student body to become higher net worth generating individuals and become more competitive in the real world.
This is fantasy land stuff…..until the state changes direction none of it will matter sadly.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:10 am to TJG210
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until the state changes direction none of it will matter sadly.
I kinda what he is saying though. He discusses the matter in terms using academics & potential out of state students to increase alumni earnings. If you think further, those future alumni could also help change the state from the outside in, instead of the inside out.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:19 am to jafari rastaman
No offense man..but this is crazy. Do you think LSU hasn’t been trying to improve academics? Endowment size is typically the biggest driver to improving the academic standing of a school, as that money goes to faculty salaries, research, and facilities. Unfortunately LSU has a relatively small endowment compared to the schools you’re referring to (~ 1/40th of Texas for example).
Having an elite football program is actually a way to improve the quality of applicants surprisingly. During the Saban run at Alabama, the interest in attending Alabama from OOS students increased tenfold. This has its limits though, Alabama isn’t exactly an elite institution but it did improve. NIL will have zero impact on the quality of academics at LSU though.
Having an elite football program is actually a way to improve the quality of applicants surprisingly. During the Saban run at Alabama, the interest in attending Alabama from OOS students increased tenfold. This has its limits though, Alabama isn’t exactly an elite institution but it did improve. NIL will have zero impact on the quality of academics at LSU though.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:20 am to BigBrod81
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I kinda what he is saying though. He discusses the matter in terms using academics & potential out of state students to increase alumni earnings. If you think further, those future alumni could also help change the state from the outside in, instead of the inside out.
It may sound defeatist, but this is all unrealistic in any sort of foreseeable timeline. Baton Rouge is on a downward trajectory/Louisiana is on a downward trajectory. We are behind most of the south which is trending upwards. The only thing that will stop this is the state getting its head out of its arse and make it easier for businesses to thrive here and bring jobs. LSU football is simply a distraction in the grand scheme of things.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:23 am to AlwysATgr
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What kind of time frame are you talking here?
We first need to change admission standards. There were many kids from my high school who went to LSU, but didn’t deserve to be there. We then need to reevaluate the curriculum to make sure it is geared not just to baws graduating, but for us to make big money. Then we need to hire professors to implement this new curriculum.
After the first group of students has graduated from the new program in 4 years and joined the workforce, it will probably take another 5 years for them to have good experience to be able to become the high earning members of society that their LSU degree taught them.
The bottom line is we need to sow the seeds now, but we won’t be reaping the benefits until after CBK’s contract is up.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:36 am to jafari rastaman
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We first need to change admission standards. There were many kids from my high school who went to LSU, but didn’t deserve to be there. We then need to reevaluate the curriculum to make sure it is geared not just to baws graduating, but for us to make big money. Then we need to hire professors to implement this new curriculum.
Tell us what curriculum we should be pushing? LSU has a world class engineering dept/auditing program.
Your premise is so idiotic and nonsensical I don’t even know why I’m responding at all.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:45 am to jafari rastaman
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We first need to change admission standards.
Then you inevitably reduce enrollment. Doesn’t sound like a great plan.
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We then need to reevaluate the curriculum to make sure it is geared not just to baws graduating, but for us to make big money.
This seems like a very awkward approach to education, once again making it “all about the money.”
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After the first group of students has graduated from the new program in 4 years and joined the workforce, it will probably take another 5 years for them to have good experience to be able to become the high earning members of society that their LSU degree taught them.
All so LSU can humbly ask them to donate more to make the football team better?
Dude, I love LSU football, but if you want to restructure the whole thing just so you can get more green, then priorities are out of whack.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:31 am to BigBrod81
I guess Duke, Stanford, Georgia Tech, ND, and Vandy will become powerhouses soon….
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:37 am to TJG210
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Your premise is so idiotic and nonsensical
His premise is ok (upgraded academics that will eventually result in increased NIL). It's just gonna take a long time to get there from here. I applaud him for thinking outside the box. It's a new ear in CFB. And almost overnight, we've gone from having a huge recruiting advantage to playing catch-up.
So let's ask ourselves, how did, for example, the TX schools (UT and A&M) become so prosperous? For one, the population of TX is 30+ million compared to LA which is about 4.5 million. Not looking it up, but their enrollment likely dwarfs LSU as well. They are better academically. Moreover, TX has been a much better run state historically than has LA. So there's a lot more of them in a bigger state that's been better run for decades. That's what we're up against now.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:51 am to AlwysATgr
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So let's ask ourselves, how did, for example, the TX schools (UT and A&M) become so prosperous?
Oil money, dipshit
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:59 am to jafari rastaman
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The pressure is on the University to bring in the smartest undergraduates, have them be taught by the best professors in the world, and then get them to go out into the workforce and generate more income collectively than any other school in the country
What are you talking about; this is not about a college education any more; this is about the money . These are professional players now; if the coaches say the wrong thing; or they have to sit on the bench so they can grow and learn they are gone. Coaches are truly in a no win situation. College football appears to be lost unless the adults in the room take over. You want the money then you sign a contract for four years guaranteed commitment whether you play a down or not !! This would put an end to this parody.
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:10 am to AlwysATgr
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So let's ask ourselves, how did, for example, the TX schools (UT and A&M) become so prosperous?
They’re giant universities, probably twice the enrollment of LSU. They’re located in booming cities in a booming state. CS isn’t necessarily a boomtown, but the whole metro is still growing. Austin just had a decade where it was one of the fastest growing in the nation.
These schools graduate students that can stay home, because Texas has been growth focused for decades, lately attracting Fortune 500 companies. On the aTm side…it’s more oil money.
The Texas education system is far from perfect, but it’s way better than Louisiana. It’s not easy to get into either school, and they’re busting at the seems as it is. If you want to get into UT, you better be top 7% in your class or drop a huge number on the SATs.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:22 am to AlwysATgr
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His premise is ok (upgraded academics that will eventually result in increased NIL).
Nah, the premise is pretty silly. It relies on the assumption that any school can simply “upgrade their academics.” It also relies on the assumption that “upgraded” academics directly lead to a larger number of wealthy donors. Lastly, it relies on the assumption that LSU isn’t already doing everything they can (within constraints that exist in reality) to succeed academically.
The reality is that economic outcomes for graduates of a land grant university are a function of the state economy more than anything. If LSU had the ability to make some changes that dramatically improved the state’s economic outlook, I would hope they would do so regardless of how it impacts football.
To me it’s much more likely that NIL is bad for LSU academics because it siphons donor money away.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:31 am to jafari rastaman
College football will be effectively dead before most of the entering freshmen are giving back to the university. Giving back to the university itself is also an absurd statement, considering most of these kids pay far more in tuition compared to potential future earnings than anyone on this site fighting for NIL. Colleges are robbing them blind to enrich a leftist elitist top faculty and administration. Most students now will never “give back”
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:59 am to jafari rastaman
Get over it. We are not UT or A&M
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:41 am to TJG210
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LSU has a world class engineering dept
LSU is ranked 124th in the country for engineering. That means that each state has on average 2.5 schools better than LSU. Of course some states like California and Texas have many more than that but you get my point. It’s not even an average engineering school for this country let alone world class. I graduated from that school and after going to a top school for grad school I can attest at how bad the programs are. Especially for computer science and technology which are the big growth areas.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:47 am to Upperdecker
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Colleges are robbing them blind to enrich a leftist elitist top faculty and administration. Most students now will never “give back”
Did you go to LSU? Most of the staff outside of the humanities are either right or do not care about politics. This is such a stupid answer. LSU is so freaking cheap it is one of the best deals you can get in higher education.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:54 am to jafari rastaman
Everything else constant.
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