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re: Why isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management?

Posted on 9/24/23 at 6:33 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 6:33 pm to
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Because he didn't mismanage it?

wut
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 6:34 pm to
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He’s an analytics guy

Chip shot FG is 95% and you run the clock out

Our defense didn’t warrant trust


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He made the right call t


This doesn't even make any sense
Posted by TIGERVATO
Spring, TX.
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:14 pm to
Because his team won, LOU. Jesus man. I bet you're a blast to be around.
Posted by GeauxTigers1410
Member since Sep 2020
1677 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:16 pm to
It was really bad. Glad they didn’t hit a Hail Mary.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22799 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:34 pm to
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Yeah, we definitely haven't seen any of these things under Kelly. It seemed like he was very worried about these possibilities and was trying to score a touchdown.


Lol. People forget what happened prior to our last drive against FSU in the dome.
Posted by kew48
Covington Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
1309 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:46 pm to
He was trying to run as much of the clock down with too little thought of offensively scoring a touchdown. The strategy was to kick the field goal from the get go with no more time ! Our offensive line as demonstrated it cannot physically push it across two yards!
Posted by Geaux Guy
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 7:48 pm to
Because it really wasn’t that bad?

Sure, we sit back and see what perfect could have been…
Posted by NimbleCat
Member since Jan 2007
8901 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:17 pm to
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Should've run a running play or at least kneeled it to burn clock


Y’all were watching the ball get snapped with 15 seconds and 12 seconds on the play clock before Kelly stepped in? Right?

In my opinion, those weird timeouts were a result of the offense not running down the play clock.

Entire game: snap with two seconds to spare.

End of game: need to burn clock, snap with 15 seconds.
Posted by burreauxxx
Member since Dec 2019
5249 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:25 pm to
What’s the problem? Pretty knit picky to criticize his clock management, especially for a fan base that had to live through the Miles era.

Kelly handles it fine
Posted by Thorny
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:33 pm to
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Perfect would’ve been to run the ball again on third down and then use the timeout if you don’t score. OR run the FG unit out there on third down, kick the FG and if you bobble the snap, you still had 1 timeout and another down to re-try. BK did it very poorly in my opinion.



The way to play it in a tied game would be to call two plays in the timeout after the first down run. The second-down play would be a run to center the ball and then line up in victory formation for the third down play. Once the game clock passed 40 seconds left, snap the ball and then call time-out with 3-5 seconds left. Kick the ball on fourth down with time running out.

Worst case scenario is that we miss the field goal and we go to overtime.

It was the time out after second down that was a poor decision.

GEAUX TIGERS!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:38 pm to
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What’s the problem?

You said it yourself:

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Our defense didn’t warrant trust


Kelly's mismanagement put the weight on the D who didn't warrant trust, when he could have avoided that entirely by being smart.
Posted by Jwall1984
Bunkie,Louisiana
Member since Sep 2016
49 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:40 pm to
We won the game.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
75617 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:40 pm to
I mean, Arkansas had 5 seconds and no timeouts. They didn’t have a chance to do anything.
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:44 pm to
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Arkansas had 5 seconds and no timeouts. They didn’t have a chance to do anything


They had a chance to return the KO for the winning TD

They had a chance to pull off a Hail Mary

They had a chance to get a PI on the Hail Mary resulting in an extra play to tie with a FG or win with a second attempt at the Hail Mary

It’s easy to Ignore it because we won. But there was absolutely no legitimate reason to let Arkansas touch the ball again. None.

Just because it worked out doesn’t make it a smart play.
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 8:49 pm
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:51 pm to
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They had a chance to return the KO for the winning TD

They had a chance to pull off a Hail Mary


Less than 1% chance

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They had a chance to get a PI on the Hail Mary resulting in an extra play to tie with a FG or win with a second attempt at the Hail Mary


PI is only 15 yards.

I agree with running it down and kicking as time expires. I also don’t think it was some egregious catastrophe.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29214 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:00 pm to
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Less than 1% chance



is still infinitely more than zero

Why let them have the ball back to try to score, either via a fluke return or a hail mary or Cal-Stanford type play? Effectively, Kelly gave them permission to try.
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 9:02 pm
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
6694 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:14 pm to
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Less than 1% chance


Ok. That’s still more than a 0% chance if we had kicked the FG as time expired.

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I also don’t think it was some egregious catastrophe.


It would have been had any of those things happened

That’s the whole point. Just because it worked doesn’t make it smart.

Kelly is supposed to be better than Les and Ed. He’s supposed to be this detail oriented football guy. That’s why that sequence didn’t make sense.

I’m not even mad, just perplexed that a guy of Kelly’s stature would not see it.
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
21150 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:18 pm to
They won
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
75617 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:26 pm to
His decision left Arkansas with a near 0% chance of winning. Yes, ideally you’d want it to be 0. I think he changed his mind or got confused on 2nd down.

But I’m not going to kill him for it. We’ve seen a lot worse and I don’t recall any issue previously with him at lsu.
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
6694 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:42 pm to
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We’ve seen a lot worse


Just because we’ve seen worse doesn’t mean we have to accept bad decisions without criticism

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got confused on 2nd down.


That would be even more concerning

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I don’t recall any issue previously with him at lsu.


Maybe not with the clock but his game management in the first quarter vs FSU going for it in 4th rather taking the easy 3 was very questionable
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