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re: Why isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management?
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:05 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:05 am to SlowFlowPro
Sounds like you’re arguing over a percentage point or two difference in probability lol
What you don’t account for (in real time) is the fact he knew we had it in hand and was balancing feel and analytics.
I have zero issues with any of it. It I guess you’ll argue the point and a half probability difference because there’s nothing better to do?
What you don’t account for (in real time) is the fact he knew we had it in hand and was balancing feel and analytics.
I have zero issues with any of it. It I guess you’ll argue the point and a half probability difference because there’s nothing better to do?
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:07 am to Lou Pai
Bc we won but I agree it was not handled perfectly
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:08 am to Choupique19
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We kicked the final field goal from the same distance as an extra point. The ball should have been downed in the middle of the field for the easiest kick.
Thats a different argument than saying wrong hash. What you are saying is either hash should not have been kicked from. What I was responding to was the wrong hash comment between left and right hash. Those are two different arguments.
I would agree with the middle of the field is the easier place to kick from and thats where the ball should have been downed but that wasn't the argument. And also that is still nit picking.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:19 am to IM_4_LSU
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What you are saying is either hash should not have been kicked from.
Correct
Big picture, I did not leave the game mad about leaving 5 seconds on the clock. We had way bigger concerns last game than how we handled the last 1:45. It wasn’t perfect, but it wasn’t ridiculously bad.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:24 am to IM_4_LSU
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You don't know what the wrong hash is
As the Boat pointed out earlier (maybe in this thread), you know which hash is preferred by looking at PATs.
How many PATs has Ramos kicked from the left this year?
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:25 am to burreauxxx
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Sounds like you’re arguing over a percentage point or two difference in probability lol
Longterm positive EV is made in the margins.
That's why you hear coaches like BK talk about the details.
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What you don’t account for (in real time) is the fact he knew we had it in hand and was balancing feel and analytics.
There is no logic to what he did. None. Analytics are on my side of this argument.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
The timeout discussion is the perfect measuring stick to determine who can think critically and who can’t.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:20 am to IM_4_LSU
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You don't know what the wrong hash is. Unless Ramos told you himself. I would also have thought the right hash was the preferred hash but some kickers prefer the left hash, so you cannot say what the correct or wrong hash is.
There’s no right footed kicker on earth who wants to kick it from the left college hash from 3 yards out. I can assure you that wasn’t his preferred spot.
Kicking from the hash is more of an NFL thing with the narrow hashes being in line with the uprights. With the wide hashes in college you center the ball. Especially from inside the 5 yard line.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
Again, the game was in hand. I don't blame him for trying to win the game with his best asset first - his offense - before having to turn it over to a kicker.
Either way, the percentages were in the 90s. You're picking knits with the benefit of seeing things play out and thinking about all the scenarios. Kelly managed the game just fine in real time.
Either way, the percentages were in the 90s. You're picking knits with the benefit of seeing things play out and thinking about all the scenarios. Kelly managed the game just fine in real time.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:38 am to Lou Pai
Not sure that much criticism is needed, but I do agree that he had an opportunity to kick as the clock expried.
After timeout # 2 (1 still remain), they should have called 2 plays; the one attempt to score, the other to kneel the ball and run the clock down to 2 seconds and kick the field goal.
It's not something the team practices, so I can't hate too much.
After timeout # 2 (1 still remain), they should have called 2 plays; the one attempt to score, the other to kneel the ball and run the clock down to 2 seconds and kick the field goal.
It's not something the team practices, so I can't hate too much.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:42 am to Lou Pai
Honestly surprised that Arky didn't let them run in a TD to get the ball back. I feel they definitely would have marched right back down the field and scored again.. then went for 2
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:09 am to Lou Pai
If LSU had run the football and fumbled it away, this board would have completely melted, and people would be screaming about how stupid it was to take that chance. Every college football show would have led off with, "why not just kick the chip shot field goal?" and the ones on the board who have their drawers twisted would want Kelly fired for running the ball.
It's true, and you know it.
It's true, and you know it.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:11 am to BillF
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If LSU had run the football and fumbled it away, this board would have completely melted,
Um, we're talking about a QB kneel. We still ran a play on 3rd down, also.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:11 am to The Boat
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The timeout discussion is the perfect measuring stick to determine who can think critically and who can’t.
It also shows how fandom makes people defend their side completely irrationally. They want to like BK and have picked sides.
The big issue is that this completely frickup really does tarnish the image of BK being this details-oriented coach with intelligence and not a slight upgrade from Les Miles (without the elite recruiting). People don't want to start opening cracks in their side/loyalty to BK
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 10:13 am
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:37 am to The Boat
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Kicking from the hash is more of an NFL thing with the narrow hashes being in line with the uprights. With the wide hashes in college you center the ball. Especially from inside the 5 yard line.
Again this was a response from another poster who said wrong Hash. Middle of the field is a different argument and one that I actually agree with.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:38 am to IM_4_LSU
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Again this was a response from another poster who said wrong Hash.
The left hash was the wrong hash. That was the point.
We had the ability to put the ball where Ramos preferred, and we didn't. It was the 2nd level of the frickup by BK.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 10:38 am
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:42 am to TommyDaTiger
crittision destroys hometown recruiting it is why Coach les miles couldnt get over the hump of bama !
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 10:43 am
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
I just respectfully disagree that we did anything “idiotic” there. Could it have been done a little differently?… Sure. But overall we had a great drive, milked basically the entire clock, and kicked the FG.
Again, it could have gone a little differently and I can totally see that, but this was far from “idiotic clock management.” You and I have both seen idiotic clock management - at LSU and in other games - but this was not that IMO.
The main goal on that drive was to score and leave little or no time for Arkansas, and we did exactly that. I do agree of course we would have preferred they had no time left, but I’m fine with under 10 seconds. The MAIN thing was not to leave them 30+ seconds or a minute or 2, which we didn’t.
Again, it could have gone a little differently and I can totally see that, but this was far from “idiotic clock management.” You and I have both seen idiotic clock management - at LSU and in other games - but this was not that IMO.
The main goal on that drive was to score and leave little or no time for Arkansas, and we did exactly that. I do agree of course we would have preferred they had no time left, but I’m fine with under 10 seconds. The MAIN thing was not to leave them 30+ seconds or a minute or 2, which we didn’t.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 10:47 am
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:45 am to Lou Pai
I wasn't as concerned as some, but, i don't understand burning the final timeout after 2nd down. THat left 3rd and goal, so there was no other option but to pass the ball. I would have felt safer with a touchdown, or running the ball on 2nd and bleeding down the clock before calling that final timeout.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:46 am to JPLSU1981
quote:Only because Arkansas coach fricked up worse than Kelly
The MAIN thing was not to leave them 30+ seconds or a minute or 2, which we didn’t.
If Arkansas wasn’t horrifically coached they would have gotten the ball left with 1:50 on the clock, which we may have been fricked completely and lost. It’s remarkable to me how poorly both coaches performed in that final two minutes
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 10:47 am
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