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re: Why is no one blaming the players for poor hitting?
Posted on 6/11/12 at 2:10 pm to LsuTool
Posted on 6/11/12 at 2:10 pm to LsuTool
the freakin' home plate unpiring was horrible... when the damn ump does not call the GD corners and knees to letters it FORCES you to basically put it on a freakin' tee for them!! now having said that it was bad for BOTH pitchers - their hitters took advantage of it...ours? ground out pop up ground out pop up,,, aame same same 
... their hitters worked deep counts because they realized the home plate umpires were tight!! we swung at everytyhing!! our at bats lasted 2 minutes...keeping their pitcher fresh. poor performance by hitters and hitting coach... it's not freakin brain surgery... OH YEA and you may want to walk the Cormona next time dumbasses
... their hitters worked deep counts because they realized the home plate umpires were tight!! we swung at everytyhing!! our at bats lasted 2 minutes...keeping their pitcher fresh. poor performance by hitters and hitting coach... it's not freakin brain surgery... OH YEA and you may want to walk the Cormona next time dumbasses
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Posted on 6/11/12 at 2:21 pm to deathvalleyrox27
Javi the greatest hitting instructor of all time 
Posted on 6/11/12 at 2:25 pm to The Mick
Because it stops at the coach. In this case, the hitting coach.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 2:36 pm to tigertalkster
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Message Posted by tigertalkster We won the sec with this talent so not the talent and not the coaches we lost 2-3 on a weekend series it happens
Our problems at the plate were seen from the very first games and never changed. We won the SEC by winning some very close games and our pitching limiting the runs given up. We won despite our hitting not because of it.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 2:37 pm to The Mick
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Why is no one blaming the players for poor hitting?All Ive seen is coach-bashing
Mack Brown has a philosophy he uses in his dealings with assistant coaches. He tells them that if one of their players is not performing, then that's a problem with the player and the player can be replaced, but if all of their players aren't performing, then the players probably aren't the problem and the coach needs to be replaced.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 3:08 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Mack Brown has a philosophy he uses in his dealings with assistant coaches. He tells them that if one of their players is not performing, then that's a problem with the player and the player can be replaced, but if all of their players aren't performing, then the players probably aren't the problem and the coach needs to be replaced.
Mack "boom"
Posted on 6/11/12 at 3:16 pm to The Mick
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All Ive seen is coach-bashing. Just curious why the hitting coach is 100% at fault here.
I think mainly b/c it's shitty to blame a group of kids and people are looking to blame something/someone.
It's certainly a combo of both with regards to subpar hitting, but I have to agree with the arguments about the approach to the plate when their pitcher has barely more than 20 pitches through the first few innings and our guy is closing in on 60.
Great season to the baseball team! Too bad they couldn't put some magic together in game 3.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 3:56 pm to geauxjo
Never said anything about winning became of hitting but winning is winning
Posted on 6/11/12 at 4:06 pm to tigertalkster
Also we hit many balls hard last night that hung up in the air and their outfiel got to them. They made their own breaks and did a great job hitting but I promise you we didn't have a coach on the team say here's what we need to do swing at off speed and breaking balls 6" off the plate and at your ankles then swing at the fastball at your eyes. Hell I suspect there were a few pitchers yelling to lay off those pitches. Now if tge coach gives the take sign and they start taking pitches the coaches will catch hell about not being aggressive.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 4:18 pm to tigertalkster
It was painfull to watch SB at the plate.
They didn't swing out of the strike zone.
As far as taking pitches, bringing up the pitch count, some of our hitters just cant do that.
The only two hitters that I realy trust in deep counts are Nola, and Rhymes. Jones can't hit a breaking ball, Katz will swing out of the zone, Dozar will dig a trench(though he did get on base more than anyone else last night). Some hitters can take pitches and do well, some only end up in breaking ball counts and K.
They didn't swing out of the strike zone.
As far as taking pitches, bringing up the pitch count, some of our hitters just cant do that.
The only two hitters that I realy trust in deep counts are Nola, and Rhymes. Jones can't hit a breaking ball, Katz will swing out of the zone, Dozar will dig a trench(though he did get on base more than anyone else last night). Some hitters can take pitches and do well, some only end up in breaking ball counts and K.
This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 6/11/12 at 4:36 pm to tigertalkster
quote:You're probably a nice guy, but you don't know anything about baseball details.
tigertalkster
Hitting approach is what the smart folks are talking about. LSU's approach/philosophy by the majority of the hitters is very bad & that is coaching.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 4:52 pm to tigertalkster
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Message Posted by tigertalkster Never said anything about winning became of hitting but winning is winning
Yup. And we won because of Dunn and in spite of Javi. Javi goes. But in reality, he'll probably get a raise.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 5:41 pm to geauxjo
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But in reality, he'll probably get a raise.
I can definately see Javi getting a raise too.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 5:51 pm to la_birdman
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Because it stops at the coach. In this case, the hitting coach.
Texas just fired their hitting coach, who was a long-time friend of Auggie Garrido.
I know that Mainieri would never fire Javi, but maybe we can "Crowton" him out.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:34 pm to LSU316
how about giving SB pitchers credit as PM did. PM and Javi don't step up to the plate, players do. Good pitching will win out to good hitting everyday of the week.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:42 pm to joeleblanc
quote:List Javi's credentials to be hitting coach at LSU.
PM and Javi don't step up to the plate, players do.
quote:And bad hitting will make mediocre pitching look good every day of the week.
Good pitching will win out to good hitting everyday of the week.
In 3 starts, by 3 different SB pitchers... 7 innings, 9 innings CG, 9 innings CG... 25 innings, 9 hits, 4 ER.
I think you could pitch against LSU and throw 7 IP of 3 hit ball.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:02 pm to joeleblanc
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Message Posted by joeleblanc how about giving SB pitchers credit as PM did. PM and Javi don't step up to the plate, players do. Good pitching will win out to good hitting everyday of the week.
Some of these "good" pitchers you are referring to gave up a combined 14 ERs in the regional the week before. SB simply outscored teams. I think they'll get rocked in Omaha. I do think their bats are legit however. And define "good hitting". Cause ours hasn't been very good all year.
This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:10 pm to LSU316
You so called LSU "fans" are nothing but aholes. When the team wins, ya'll totally support the players, but when they lose, you blame the players, coach, etc. If you aholes can do better tham PM or the players, then why aren't your asses out there? In case you idiots don't realize it, I'm sure some players, in all sports for LSU, read this board. Ya'll are fricking losers who put down LSU because they lose. Some of ya'll need to get a life and realize that LSU loses to the better team.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:12 pm to The Mick
Combo of poor recruiting and development.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:40 pm to geauxjo
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Some of these "good" pitchers you are referring to gave up a combined 14 ERs in the regional the week before. SB simply outscored teams. I think they'll get rocked in Omaha. I do think their bats are legit however. And define "good hitting". Cause ours hasn't been very good all year.
Perhaps they played better teams in the regional than LSU is? Good hitting might be around .280-.300 They may get rocked, but if they do, just think how bad LSU would get rocked at the CWS. I'm not knockign LSU, but it clearly showed in the super regional that SB had better talent in pitching, hitting, offensively and defensively, even with LSU getting numerous miraculous comebacks, the 'miss' foul ball by the LF in Game 1 which would have ended the game, the 3 blown calls by the umps which favored LSU in game 3, etc. Personally i hope they win it all....
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