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re: Why is no one blaming the players for poor hitting?
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:46 pm to avondale88
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:46 pm to avondale88
quote:Did somebody skip his dose of prozac for today?
avondale88
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Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:49 pm to joeleblanc
quote:I was watching Ark and Baylor play, and they just flashed the SBU and UCLA game time. I swear I just told my wife that very same thing. UCLA would make LSU look foolish with their junkball pitchers. That's all they have, and LSU can't hit those. It's just as well that LSU didn't go to Omaha to go 0-2.
LSU would get rocked at the CWS
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:50 pm to tigerclaw10
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Because the players go to the plate with a bad approach all year long. The hitting coach should correct them some what, but he didn't.
this. nola and hanover are the best examples of this. In what way have they progressed as hitters from 2009? they are the same hitters as seniors as they were as freshman. coaches hasn't developed them. just like we all saw Dean regress after his 2008 season. yes he did not have matt clark hitting behind him after 2008, but he should've been able to get through that.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:55 pm to bakersman
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they are the same hitters as seniors as they were as freshman. coaches hasn't developed them
Posted on 6/11/12 at 8:01 pm to Mudminnow
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quote: they are the same hitters as seniors as they were as freshman. coaches hasn't developed them
Total agreement. This weekend really showed the difference in a well-coached, disciplined team at the plate and one that...well...one that's not.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 8:30 pm to bakersman
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they are the same hitters as seniors as they were as freshman. coaches hasn't developed them
100% spot on.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 8:40 pm to LSU316
The players are a reflection of the coaching they've received. If the hitting coach didn't step in to "instruct" his players to take more pitches against Stoney Brook after Saturday's game, then you assume the players have a green light to do things on their own. That's what I saw. Both are to blame, but you pay coaches to run the team.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 8:54 pm to jmarto1
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I could be wrong but I've always believed that baseball is the sport that relies most heavily on coaching.
I agree with this...
signed: Skip Bertman
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:08 am to tigertalkster
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I promise you we didn't have a coach on the team say here's what we need to do swing at off speed and breaking balls 6" off the plate and at your ankles then swing at the fastball at your eyes
I'll bet Curley Hallman never once told the football team to commit turnovers on offense, play matador defense and lose seven games a year, so he obviously wasn't the problem. Right?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:14 am to avondale88
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Some of ya'll need to get a life and realize that LSU loses to the better team.
No one doubts that Stony Brook was a better team. They obviously were, and by a pretty wide margin. What some wonder is why that was allowed to happen. With the resources, facilities, history, fan support, etc. that LSU has compared to Stony Brook, we should have a better team, but we obviously don't. That suggests a problem in the area of recruiting and developing the team. If I'm not mistaken, that's the coaches' area of responsibility.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:39 am to The Mick
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Because this team lacks the cerebral part of batting, not just the talent part. They don't work counts. They swing at off-speed pitches on the corners with less than two strikes but take fastballs in the middle of the plate. They have precious little discipline and can't consitently execute some of the more basic fundamentals like bunting or putting the ball in play in given situations.
This
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:41 am to LSU316
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The players are somewhat at fault but the buck stops with the coach. He recruits the players, he teaches the players, and he puts the player's name on the lineup card. It stops at the top.
I disagree with this. The ball will NOT find the bat. The players have to at least swing.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:42 am to LSU316
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The players are somewhat at fault but the buck stops with the coach. He recruits the players, he teaches the players, and he puts the player's name on the lineup card. It stops at the top.
LSU was outhit 50-15 in the series.
Why is this the coaches' fault?
This post was edited on 6/12/12 at 8:42 am
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:00 am to Nick Papa Georgio
LSU fans tend to lean towards blaming coaches, most of the time rightfully so. I agree that our hitting approach has been weak all year. However, we cannot simply point to the head coach and say "you're it." we need to remember that our hitting was very good in '09 (I think Nola was the 8 or 9 hole). We simply didn't have a DJ Lemahiue in the lineup this year that you could count on for a couple of hits every game (or a Gibbs or a Dean for that matter). Our pitching was so good this year that it carried us. Eventually we were going to run into a team that would expose this. Get over it. We don't need to fire mineiri.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:43 am to HtigerO
I don't think people are saying fire the head coach but when you are a program like LSU you should not be playing experiment with assistant coaches especially when it obviously didn't work out.
LSU hitters just do not have good approaches at the plate and people can say what they want but that is coaching. He is responsible for the product on the field nobody else including assistant coaching hires. He hit a home run with the pitching coach now he needs to do the same with the hitting coach.
BTW: For all the people wanting to hire the SB hitting coach: THEY DO NOT HAVE ONE!!!
The players’ coach themselves by watching videos of their swings and giving feedback to each other...
LSU hitters just do not have good approaches at the plate and people can say what they want but that is coaching. He is responsible for the product on the field nobody else including assistant coaching hires. He hit a home run with the pitching coach now he needs to do the same with the hitting coach.
BTW: For all the people wanting to hire the SB hitting coach: THEY DO NOT HAVE ONE!!!
The players’ coach themselves by watching videos of their swings and giving feedback to each other... Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:02 am to KT70
Stony Brook guy is actually a guy of many hats. He's the recruiting coordinator, hitting instructor, along with a few other things.
But LSU should not be a training school for hitting coaches like Javi.
But LSU should not be a training school for hitting coaches like Javi.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:15 am to Mudminnow
I'm sure there are better hitting coaches in America just as I'm sure there are worse hitting coaches in America, but at somepoint the players have to carry out a plan and get on base. At some point we should quit always blaming the coaches and point the finger at the players. Coaches at lsu are some like qbs except for when they lose it's the coaches fault ad when they win they have great players. My point is lsu fans probably more so than most other places in the country always hate the coach. Organ state hasn't been back to Omaha since they won 2 NC in a row do you honestly believe all of a sudden their coach is terrible. Most fans have no clue that the parody in today's college baseball is much closer than it was in 90s
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:43 am to tigertalkster
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I'm sure there are worse hitting coaches in America,
Name one.
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at somepoint the players have to carry out a plan and get on base. At some point we should quit always blaming the coaches and point the finger at the players
The coaches are in charge of recruiting and developing players. If the players aren't good enough, that means the coaches aren't good enough.
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parody in today's college baseball is much closer than it was in 90s
Parity didn't keep South Carolina from going to Omaha to defend its two national titles.
You are dredging up all the same old cliches that people always use to defend coaches who aren't performing. The fact is we have a head coach who admitted he basically took a year off after the NC, and who hired a hitting coach with zero qualifications or experience solely because of their personal relationship. Since then, we've done nothing to write home about in the tournament, and our hitting is horrible. These are not subjective opinions. These are facts.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:44 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:Mr. Miagi say: No bad student, only bad teacher.
Why is no one blaming the players for poor hitting?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:17 pm to tigertalkster
quote:You're exactly right. The problem is their "plan" or approach (the entire team) was very bad. If it's one or two guys, it's those players. But the approach was the same across the board and no adjustments were made all wknd.
I'm sure there are better hitting coaches in America just as I'm sure there are worse hitting coaches in America, but at somepoint the players have to carry out a plan and get on base.
The SB pitchers battled, but they didn't have even slightly overwhelming stuff. The Sunday guy was a good HS pitcher.
Yet they completely overwhelmed LSU the entire wknd.
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