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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:24 am to MrWiseGuy
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:24 am to MrWiseGuy
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if you had a great pitcher face an individually great hitter in 9 different plate appearances, the odds would stabilize more.
As evidenced by all those 18-13 MLB all-star game scores, oh wait
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Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:34 am to FAP SAM
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From 1903 through this year’s Divisional Series, there have been 1,214 playoff games and therefore 2,428 team scores (since every game has two teams). Of these, good hitting has been beaten 315 times and has done the beating 259 times. The former figure is almost 13 percent of all outcomes, while the latter is 10.7 percent. So, on average, for every 10 games that good hitting is shut down, there are 8 where good hitting slaughters. The advantage goes to pitching overall, but the advantage is not so great that a short series will hold true to that advantage.
Again, just an old baseball cliche. Very tough to quantify, but fangraphs does a good job here explaining it’s fairly split with an edge to pitching.
So great pitching will not always beat great hitting nor vice versa.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:37 am to champj3
For football terms.
It’s the same reason playing cornerback or left tackle are the two hardest positions to play outside of QB.
The other guy is not only a freak athlete but they also know exactly what they are going to do and your job is to react to that.
It’s the same reason playing cornerback or left tackle are the two hardest positions to play outside of QB.
The other guy is not only a freak athlete but they also know exactly what they are going to do and your job is to react to that.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:41 am to champj3
Because if it’s not beating hitting it’s not great pitchjng
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:43 am to MrWiseGuy
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So great pitching will not always beat great hitting nor vice versa.
Always is not meant literally, of course sometimes the hitters win. Also you have to factor in that even great pitchers have off days where they don't have their best stuff
quote:Not every pitcher that pitches in the playoffs is "great", it is more likely than regular season games but not a guarantee.
Divisional Series,
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:43 am to champj3
Idk
But it’s true
But it’s true
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:52 am to champj3
Have you ever tried to hit something coming in at 95 mph and moving all over the place? Most players don't finish above getting a hit 3/10 times and that's over the course of a season with hundreds of at bats. Batters have milliseconds to make a decision and time a swing accurately. It's amazing anyone can hit at all.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:06 am to Penrod
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This is the part I don’t understand about baseball. Rather than tip off the hitter about what we are about to throw to him, or intentionally misalign (as you said above) to fool him, why not start outfielders moving as the pitcher is releasing the ball?
They do. At least the good ones. That’s why “they get a jump on the ball”. Crews is a master at that. Just watch his feet and movement.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:08 am to MrWiseGuy
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Again, it’s a cliche. An old baseball quote that stuck. Now, if you have a great pitcher and he’s facing a team of 9 different hitters, the likelihood of all 9 being great is diminished. So the pitcher might win out in this scenario. But if you had a great pitcher face an individually great hitter in 9 different plate appearances, the odds would stabilize more. All narratives with no statistical data to back it up.
Are you that dense?
YOURE IN THE HOF IF YOU HIT ABOVE .300 in the major leagues. .300! 1/3. HALL OF FAME DUDE.
I’ve watched mediocre pitchers pitch great games against great hitting teams. Hell, I’ve been part of that.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:09 am to MrWiseGuy
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Nobody has provided any statistical data in this thread that supports great pitching beats great hitting or vice versa
How about batting .333 is considered to be a great season? Or that having a career average of greater than .300 is HOF status?
And this is an average, meaning that not every pitcher hitters see will be great.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 8:41 am
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:10 am to champj3
And get this. What if through half the game the opposing teams pitcher had a larger strike zone to work with?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:10 am to champj3
Because being successful 1/3 of the time is considered great and most batters are not great.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:12 am to champj3
It is easy to be a great pitcher when our batters continue to swing at numerous pitches that are out of the strike zone. We swing at change ups and sliders that are not even close; in fact most of them are in the dirt or very close to it. Apparently we are geared to hit the long ball. Coach Johnson is already on record as saying he does not care about the number of strike outs; he better start caring. We have a good team, and I hope that we get better moving forward. Hopefully we bounce back today and have better approaches at the plate.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 8:44 am
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:12 am to champj3
Because hitting is actually defensive. It’s reactionary. The pitcher knows what’s coming, where, and at what speed. The hitter must adjust in a split second to all of those variables, which also throws off the sequence of the swing
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:16 am to MrWiseGuy
Guess you don't spend much time watching baseball. Lol.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:27 am to Tiger1988
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Are you that dense? YOURE IN THE HOF IF YOU HIT ABOVE .300 in the major leagues. .300! 1/3. HALL OF FAME DUDE. I’ve watched mediocre pitchers pitch great games against great hitting teams. Hell, I’ve been part of that.
You’re thinking of this in terms of average when you should be thinking of this in terms of runs scored
Again, the quote from me above from a fabgraphs points out that it’s not as lopsided as the cliche states.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:28 am to MrWiseGuy
If the hitting > pitching then it's not great pitching.
Great pitching = poor hitting
The statistical data is in Skenes' numbers.
Great pitching = poor hitting
The statistical data is in Skenes' numbers.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:34 am to MrWiseGuy
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It’s just an old cliche stuck in baseball that people go to when they don’t have any statistical data to back up a point they’re trying to make
It’s not, great hitters, in MLB, actually feast against bottom tier and mid tier pitching. The difference between a good hitter and a great hitter is that great hitters punish mistakes. And there is the data that shows this.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:51 am to barry
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It’s not, great hitters, in MLB, actually feast against bottom tier and mid tier pitching
I got news for the people who don't believe this. Crews won't hit above 500 for the year, and it will be a great accomplishment if he can hold 400
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:55 am to champj3
It takes one great pitcher to win a game; It takes multiple hitters. Numbers game. Same way a QB with a mediocre team can win championships.
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