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champj3
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Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?

Can someone help me understand?


LSBoosie
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
Because hitting is harder than pitching


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Penrod
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
Because hitting great pitching is like batting with a blindfold on. They never know where the ball will be until too late.


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MrWiseGuy
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
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Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting? by champj3


It’s just an old cliche stuck in baseball that people go to when they don’t have any statistical data to back up a point they’re trying to make


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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
It doesn't


Hold That Tiger 10
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
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It’s just an old cliche stuck in baseball that people go to when they don’t have any statistical data to back up a point they’re trying to make


Well what if there is statistical data to back it up?


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Tiger1988
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
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It’s just an old cliche stuck in baseball that people go to when they don’t have any statistical data to back up a point they’re trying to make

I hope you’re being a wise arse like your name suggests.

I guess they need to cancel tracking pitching stats.

In baseball, EVERYTHING is measured. It is why it is the most complex sport to play above all sports. There have been MANY studies on the intellect it takes to manage the game and it is astounding the many games within games. With that the pitcher can control a game by himself.
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upgrade
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
It seems pretty self explanatory.
You stand there with a stick, and I’ll throw a ball for you to hit.
I’m going to vary speeds between 85-100 mph.
I’m going to change locations and sometimes make the ball curve.
You don’t know what spot I’m trying to throw the ball to, or what speed I’m throwing it from pitch to pitch. You can only guess.
I’m also going to do my best to hide the ball as much as I can until it’s released from my hand, so you don’t see it until the last possible moment, giving you less time to recognize my pitch and react to it.

Nothing hard about that.


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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
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In baseball, EVERYTHING is measured. It is why it is the most complex sport to play above all sports. There have been MANY studies on the intellect it takes to manage the game and it is astounding the many games within games. With that the pitcher can control a game by himself.


You don't even have to go deep into numbers. These idiots wouldn't understand them, and would just move the bar anyway. I can shite on his argument in one word..... SKENES.

Arkansas is a good hitting team. Why couldn't they touch Skenes? Our good pitchers are not supposed to give up runs, but our bats should demolish good pitching. That's the logic they use.


Tiger1988
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Nothing hard about that.

Great explanation. That needs to be added to the “Baseball for Dummies” book. Mr Wise Guy needs to read it.


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Tiger1988
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
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It doesn't
it does


Yeti_Chaser
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
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It’s just an old cliche stuck in baseball that people go to when they don’t have any statistical data to back up a point they’re trying to make

A good hitter gets a hit 30% of the time. It typically takes more than 1 hit in an inning to score a run. Is that basic enough for you to understand?


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Tiger1988
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
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You don't even have to go deep into numbers. These idiots wouldn't understand them, and would just move the bar anyway. I can shite on his argument in one word..... SKENES. Arkansas is a good hitting team. Why couldn't they touch Skenes? Our good pitchers are not supposed to give up runs, but our bats should demolish good pitching. That's the logic they use.


When I moved from Jr High to high school and from high school to summer leagues composed of college freshman to college, it amazed me the progression in depth of preparation with respect to defensive alignment. We are talking generations before any “shift” was thought of. We just scouted and I knew when I needed to change my alignment based on the pitch called and situation we were in relative to the score of the game and runners on base.

Shifts were done even when we didn’t throw a certain pitch so the opponent wouldn’t pick up on the pitch being thrown.


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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
Yesterdays game was easily winnable. We made too many boneheaded mistakes


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MrWiseGuy
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
Nobody has provided any statistical data in this thread that supports great pitching beats great hitting or vice versa

Just narratives

Again, it’s a cliche. An old baseball quote that stuck.

Now, if you have a great pitcher and he’s facing a team of 9 different hitters, the likelihood of all 9 being great is diminished. So the pitcher might win out in this scenario.

But if you had a great pitcher face an individually great hitter in 9 different plate appearances, the odds would stabilize more.

All narratives with no statistical data to back it up.


Penrod
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
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Shifts were done even when we didn’t throw a certain pitch so the opponent wouldn’t pick up on the pitch being thrown.

This is the part I don’t understand about baseball. Rather than tip off the hitter about what we are about to throw to him, or intentionally misalign (as you said above) to fool him, why not start outfielders moving as the pitcher is releasing the ball?


geauxjo
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
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It doesn't


Well, the quote is from Skip Bertman so maybe take it up with him.


Tiger Ugly
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
Next game you go to where there's a really good pitcher, go stand behind home plate as close as you can get. Now imagine yourself it the box trying to hit what you are seeing.

I'd say step in the box against one of those guys but that's unrealistic to think almost any of us would ever get that opportunity.

Hitting is hard.


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MrWiseGuy
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
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Well, the quote is from Skip Bertman so maybe take it up with him.


Casey Stengel

An aged old cliche that has stuck in baseball circles


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fairweatherfans
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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
Most folks on this baseball board "forgot" more than I know about baseball.My Dad played college ball on a full 4 year ride way back in the 40s.Long ago I asked my Dad what it takes to be a great baseball team?...he said 3 things ,pitching,pitching and,pitching.Have a good friend that is a scout for the Pittsburgh Pirates...asked same question...same answer and this note "a GREAT hitter only gets a hit one third of the time....333. One other thing even I noted,there are a hell of alot more great hitters than great pitchers!


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